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GOA gives McCain an F rating, thumbs down

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, Feb 25, 2008.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    McCain, yeah, what a great choice.<br>
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    www.gunowners.org/mcnoway.htm<br>
    Feb 2008<br>
    McCain? No Way!<br>
    by<br>
    Sen. HL "Bill" Richardson (ret.)<br>
    Chairman of the Board, GOA<br>
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    Americans are being told by the mainstream media that conservatives have no other choice than to back the hypocrite from Arizona. All that is required is to pretend he is "really" a conservative. "So, crawl under the big Republican tent and vote for McCain," we are told. "Besides, what other choice do you have?"<br>
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    We have plenty of choices, none of which calls for casting our vote for the lesser of two presidential evils.<br>
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    First, the Republican race isn't over. Huckabee is still around and as Kansas and Louisiana should point out, the Romney vote flocked to Huckabee. Not that they loved Huckabee, but that they have zero trust in the promises of McCain. Even if Huckabee loses, what makes anyone think conservatives will vote for McCain?<br>
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    Don't you liberals get it? The republican conservative believes McCain would be a vindictive president. He's proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.<br>
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    Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike of all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence.<br>
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    There is no reason why any conservative should be depressed, especially if they look at past history. I clearly remember the political climate in 1964. We newly-awakened conservatives had a real friend running for the Republican nomination. Barry Goldwater defeated a liberal Republican in the primaries, but in the general election, the mainstream media slaughtered him. In 1964 it was easy to do; we had no effective political action committees, no conservative organizations, few pro-life activists, little religious participation, no talk radio, a handful of articulate conservative legislators, no fax machines and zero Internet. After the 1964 November election, all looked hopeless. Not a bright star on the horizon....But!<br>
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    In 1966, we conservatives elected an actor as Governor of California. I was elected to the State Senate. The thespian and I were greener than grass but we were both quick to learn. Ron Reagan became a national star, a conservative leader in the nation’s most popular state. He couldn't be ignored.<br>
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    I founded Gun Owners of America and Gun Owners of California. We became the second largest pro-Second Amendment organization in America with membership in the hundreds of thousands. We concentrated our efforts on electing pro-gunners to the legislature and stopping anti-gun legislation. We grew rapidly and were quite successful. During liberal Jerry Brown's eight years as governor, not a single anti-gun bill was signed into law. The reason was simple -- although the liberal Democrats controlled both houses of the legislature, no anti-gun legislation passed from either house to find its way to the Governor’s desk.<br>
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    The entire gun movement is close to accomplishing that feat on a national level. As long as the gun community hangs together, it will make little difference on gun issues who is sitting in the White House. The same could be true of other major conservative organizations as long as they stay in the fight. We are much better off than in 1964 and much better organized.<br>
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    The other good news is that some of the weak-sister Republicans are leaving office -- not willing to scrap it out with the liberal Democrats. Hooray, happy to see you go! Call Gun Owners if you need a ride out of town. We have an opportunity to replace them with tough, no nonsense conservatives. Already, some very fine men are seeking these vacancies.<br>
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    We at Gun Owners intend to be very engaged in Congressional and US Senate races.<br>
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    I personally will not cast a vote for the presidency -- that is, if McCain is the Republican nominee. Under no circumstances will I vote for either of the Democrats. This will be the first time in fifty years that I have made this choice. I hope it will be the last.
     
  2. Shooting Coach

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    What grade does the GOA give Hillary or Obama? LOL
     
  3. JBrooks

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    A "Not Vote" is the same as a yes vote for Obama. Be as dumb as you want to be. Me, I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain. The lesser of two evils is still the lesser and McCain is a WHOLE LOT lesser than Obama, Bill Richardson's rantings not withstanding.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    Well, since we're tossing out worn out witticisms like "the the lesser of two evils" I might as well post "the friend of my enemy is my enemy".<br>
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    All I see is a choice of an anti-gun liberal or an anti-gun liberal.<br>
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    I'm not going to prostitute my vote. I'm going to vote for a pro-gunner. If Republicans don't like that, tough. Should have thought about that before nominating an anti-gun liberal.
     
  5. tomk2

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    sigh.
     
  6. Dave90T

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    The only reason McCain is the Repub nominee is cause of the influx of "Independent" (lefty) voters in the open primary states, and in general into the party itself (thanks to Bush the liberal). In addition, a lack of motivation on the part of true conservatives is to blame. Fred Thompson shouldn't have waited so damn long, then farted around once he was. Huckabee isn't much of a conservative either, and Ron Paul is a sniveling little kook.

    You're wrong in your choices Brian. You have a liberal-antigunner (McCain), a fascist (Hillary), or a bonafide whackjob socialist (Obama). NOW take your pick.

    At least, I hope you realize McCain would attempt to surround himself with conservatives in an attempt to win over us who he has screwed over. I will hold my nose and vote for McCain if it keeps the likes of another Klinton or Osama out of office. Its not "prostituting" a vote..its effectively cancelling out the vote of the snot nosed college kids my age who think Osama is something amazing cause they're too dumb and brainwashed to know better (quite ashamed of my generation actually).

    So by all means, vote your conscience. Just as folks like you gave us Bill Klinton by voting for Perot, and like liberals voting for Nader kept Gore out, vote for your third party candidate. But if Osama or Hitlery get in, Brian, I better not hear one word out of you on this board when they start with their anti-gun agendas, cause I'll be first in line to point fingers at you for letting them get in..especially Osama and his radical "ban them all" ideas. Remember its much easier for "us" to jump down the throat of someone with an R next to their name, cause the D's surely don't listen (1994 AWB as proof, which, by the way, McCain voted against).
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    Get ready to point fingers then, because you will hear from me whenever ANYONE promotes an anti-gun agenda. Including those aiding and abetting the John McCain anti-gun agenda. I fully expect Obama or Clinton to try to pass anti-gun legislation. I also fully expect McCain to do so as well.<br>
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    You mention "my (your) generation", so I can see you haven't been around long enough to understand that the Republicans have helped pass more gun control and more gun bans than the Democrats ever could have on their own. I have been dismayed when reading the vote counts and seeing just how prevalent anti-gun attitudes are amongst our congressional Republicans. This sickness must be excised from the GOP, even if it means some figurative bloodletting now. If it requires spoiler votes, then so be it. The Republicans have been compromising our rights away incrementally for a few decades now, and it's well past time it stopped.<br>
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    The bottom line is, if the GOP wants my vote, all they have (had) to do is to nominate someone who respects and upholds the Second Amendment. It's just that simple.
     
  8. JBrooks

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    "It's just that simple." minded
     
  9. JBrooks

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    From JohnMcCain.com


    John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.
    Gun Manufacturer Liability

    John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry.


    "Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal."

    -Senator John McCain




    Assault Weapons

    John McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. Most recently he opposed an amendment to extend a ban on 19 specific firearms, and others with similar characteristics.

    Importation of High Capacity Magazines

    John McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.

    Gun Locks

    John McCain believes that every firearms owner has a responsibility to learn how to safely use and store the firearm they have chosen, whether for target shooting, hunting, or personal protection. He has supported legislation requiring gun manufacturers to include gun safety devices such as trigger locks in product packaging.

    Banning Ammunition

    John McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."

    DC Personal Protection

    As part of John McCain's defense of Second Amendment rights, he cosponsored legislation to lift a ban on the law abiding citizens of the District of Columbia from exercising their Constitutional right to bear arms.


    Criminal Background Checks

    John McCain supports instant criminal background checks to help prohibit criminals from buying firearms and has voted to ensure they are conducted thoroughly, efficiently, and without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

    Background Checks at Gun Shows

    At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.

    The Firearm Purchase Waiting Period

    John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen's purchase of firearms.

    The confiscation of firearms after an emergency

    John McCain opposes the confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency. He voted in favor of an amendment sponsored by Senator David Vitter prohibiting such confiscation.

    Stiffer Penalties for Criminals who use a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime

    John McCain believes in strict, mandatory penalties for criminals who use a firearm in the commission of a crime or illegally possess a firearm. Enforcing the current laws on the books is the best way to deter crime.
     
  10. Dave90T

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    Thank you JBrooks. Whether its BS or not...it doesn't look like an "anti-gun agenda" to me that Brian is so sure McCain is going to push. You won't find statements like those on Osama or Hitlery's website...McCain should be held accountable to those positions...and should he surround himself with actual conservatives and hopefully some conservatives additions to congress, I expect he will be.

    Don't take me for a fool Brian..I realize we wouldn't have many gun control laws if it weren't for ignorant republicans, and thanks to the likes of Reagan for signing the Brady Bill. I also know that a republican doesn't make someone a convervative. Still though, one must weigh the choice here. McCain is FAR from being a conservative, he's FAR (WAY F'IN FAR) from MY CHOICE, BUT, he's closer than the Dem candidate. You're willing to surrender a permanent and more broad AWB, and God knows what else, for the sake of "blood-letting". Talk about a sell-out.

    The way to get our rights BACK from years of erosion by the GOP and Dems certainly can't be to let either Dem candidate in...thats like engraving your gun with a chain saw. If you think the GOP will magically swing back to the right after 4 years of Fasc/Socialism, I wish to know what you're smoking...LOOK what we got after 8 years of Klinton. Giving up more rights won't make them reappear...propping up McCain with a watchful eye is a safer choice until a better, CONSERVATIVE comes along in 2012. There HAS to be a point where you cut your losses..this unfortunately is it. We won't get a conservative in 2008...but we don't need what the dems are offering either.
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    Thank you JBrooks for posting how John McCain, like John Kerry before him, has now suddenly reinvented himself as a pro-gunner from his anti-gun past. This should be obvious to anyone who actually bothers to research the facts.<br>
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    *IF* John McCain gets elected and *IF* he sticks to the claimed agenda above, perhaps I might feel differently if he runs for a second term. But right now, after he rammed GUN REGISTRATION down the throats of Oregon gun owners, there's just no way I can support him.<br>
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    As far as how I should take you Dave, when you resort to blackmail and coercive threats <i>(But if Osama or Hitlery get in, Brian, I better not hear one word out of you on this board when they start with their anti-gun agendas, cause I'll be first in line to point fingers at you for letting them get in..especially Osama and his radical "ban them all" ideas)</i> just how am I supposed to take you? Apparently you feel that I have no right to speak my mind because my presidential choice does not mirror yours.<br>
     
  12. Ellen

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    Brian of Oregon: You have it right on the money as far as McCain. After the last 15 years or so that I can remember I haven't heard of John McCain ever being on the side of gun owners. He tried silencing the NRA with the McCain/Feingold bill during the last 60 days before an election. If you remember the NRA went to the Supreme Court to try and get it reversed but we had to many liberal judges on the court at that time so it was not reversed.
    This was and is one of the most restrictive of the first ammendment against the second ammendment ever enacted in congress. All because of McCain "reaching across the isle" to a gun banner (Feingold- a Democrat).

    JBrooks and Dave90T: Where have you been for the last 15 years. Obviously you have your eyes closed and your ears covered. Don't believe anything that McCain is putting on his web site as gospel. Look at his voting record. I have relatives in Arizona that have been there over 20 years and even they don't know how McCain has kept his senate seat all this time.

    The fact that he brings home "the bacon" or "pork" for the Indian Reservations seems to keep him in office. He is like Obama- he knows which side his bread is butterd on. Now he is trying to wash his spots off of his Lepoard Skin so he looks like a sheep by saying "I know I have made some mistakes in the past" and "I want to bring the GOP party together before the convention". Just hearing those words means I would have to compromise my principles if I were to vote for him in November. Actions speak much louder than words and McCain has spoken very clearly in the past by his actions.
     
  13. halfmile

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    You don't have to know how to spell Libertarian, just remember it begins with "L".

    Lesser of 2 evils is still evil. I also want no responsibility for this farce, but my voice will be heard in the vote that says wnat I prefer.

    And that's much better than no vote.

    HM
     
  14. Dave90T

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    Very funny, Brian..."blackmail and coercive threats"? You're joking right? Apparently, stating that I'll be voicing my opinion and pointing a finger when you're crying and quoting new legislation, when either of those two outright state that they want to ban your guns is "blackmail and a coercive threat". Oh the humanity..I never thought my words and cyber finger point would have such a demeaning effect on you.... I think any credibility you had went out the window with that statement.

    If you want to hand an election over to two of the most left-wing dem senators, by all means, just don't cry about it later. I really don't want McCain, but I also don't want Hillary or Osama in the name of "bloodletting". Which, by the way, you never addressed how letting them in would regain our rights, you just chose to make a mountain out of a molehill, sort of like the leftwing MSM...go figure.
     
  15. School Teacher

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    Ellen:


    Good morning, glad to see you back on TS.Com.


    How is Hillary this morning? Has she got her voice back yet?

    Or maybe I should ask how is Barack this morning? Is he still upset with Hillary's camp over the picture of him wearing a turban on his head?


    IMO, you work for one or the other and only visit TS.Com to convince pro gun voters to stay home or vote for a 3rd party candidate.

    You are very astute in your logic that whenever a pro gun voter stays home or votes for a third party, either Hillary or Barack needs one less vote to win.


    Have a great day,


    Ed Ward
     
  16. shoottilithurts

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    the best of 2 evils or the best of the bunch. my family will vote, and mccain is the best choice. he wore the uniform and votes conservatve on most issues. every non voting conservative brings a smile to hillary and obamas face milt luther
     
  17. Tripod

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    I agree. I am going to hold my nose and vote McCain. Gun rights are an issue, but not the only one. I KNOW what the dems will do, I can hope what McCain will do. These political things never stay static, so I am betting in a short time these things will swing the other way one day and I believe with McCain we won't have so much ground to make up as with either of the others. I don't think he will be a rubber stamp for anything the democrats legislate.
     
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    And what grade did the GOA give Obama and Hillary?? If it is 1 "zillionth" better than McCain; I will reluctantly vote for one of them. (Because that's all I got to choose from)!! Ed
     
  19. School Teacher

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    Are you and Ellen working together to promote an anti-gun candidate; either Barack or Hillary? Both of your user names seem to me to have appeared on TS.Com at about the same time. What candidate do you prefer?


    It is easy to put somebody down.


    Who do you recommend for President?


    Ed Ward
     
  20. Gary Waalkes

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    Lets go through it again - the president sets the agenda for the justice dept, he or she appoints judges, he or she controls the Dept of the Interior, he or she can sic the EPA on whomever or whatever sport they want. Not voting is a very poor choice. Presidents must be re-elected - judicial appointments are for life. Lots of lawers / judges like Ruth Bader Ginsburg just waiting for Obama or Clinton to call them. It is a long time till November and I hope folks here use that time to think about the future and reconsider their choice to stay at home.
     
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