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Global warming dispute continues to grow

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  1. Jim101

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    You can copy and paste the link for the complete article. Jim

    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

    U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

    Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"


    INTRODUCTION:

    Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.


    The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.



    Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bites the dust.” (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement. (LINK)


    This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.


    Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated.
     
  2. g7777777

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    Now the real issue is

    Who are we to be so presumptuous as to think we know what the ideal climate is for the world? It would seem that the warmer it is- with more water because the glaciers melt- the more food could be grown

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  3. stokinpls

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    Here's another nail in your coffin Al.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/COMMENTARY/10575140

    Article published Dec 19, 2007 Year of global cooling

    December 19, 2007

    By David Deming - Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

    Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

    South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

    Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

    Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. Thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. At the supermarket, citrus prices soared. In the wake of the freeze, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asked President Bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. A few months earlier, Mr. Schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the California Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

    In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

    Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

    Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

    Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

    If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

    Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

    David Deming is a geophysicist, an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis, and associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma."
     
  4. smokerz

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    That's a cute pile of facts, but what it really is...are facts which have been mis stated or otherwise presented to offer misleading evidence. Take just this one for example -

    **In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest.**

    That much is true, but what you left out, the important part is this - April freezes are not unusual, they happen most years, and normally don't cause much damage to Carolina peaches and apples. This year an April freeze did cause major damage, but it was BECAUSE MARCH WAS MUCH WARMER THAN NORMAL AND CAUSED THE TREES TO BUD OUT TOO EARLY. It wasn't the April freeze which destroyed crops, but rather it was the March heat wave. The extremely warm March temperatures were caused by what? Global warming.

    As they say "the Devil can quote Scripture", and that's what you have done.
     
  5. phirel

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    smokerz- I remember fondly the 2007 March warm temperatures. I remember the sever cold temperatures that attacked us in April. I know of no evidence that demonstrates human activity was involved with either event. I am aware that since the end of the last Ice Age 10,000 years ago, the Sun has been getting hotter and increasing temperatures on the Earth. There is some good evidence that in the future the Sun will cool and another Ice Age is in our future. These cycles will continue until the Sun runs low on fuel and becomes a Red Giant. When that happens, the price of both shot and gasoline will be minor points in the survival of trap shooting.

    Pat Ireland
     
  6. quicky

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    Hello Pat,

    As always I appreciate your common sense approach to so many issues. I weighed in with some links before on this topic, but a monologue by Johnny Carson comes to mind where he spoke of a good news - bad news scenario: he said that the bad news was that in 4 billion years the sun would expand to 1,000 times its present diameter and the surface of the earth would reach 1,000,000 degrees f., give or take a few. The good news was that it would be a dry heat. That has stuck in my mind for many years and seems as appropriate now as it did then.

    Funny also was that he said he had initially misunderstood the data and he thought it said 4 million years, then he really was worried! Saa ya, Quicky
     
  7. pendennis

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    Pat, talk about leaps of logic - "The extremely warm March temperatures were caused by what? Global warming."

    That's comparable to attempting to pole vault the Grand Canyon.

    Further, most off the .7 degree Celsius increase happened almost exclusively prior to 1939.

    Best,
    Dennis
     
  8. shot410ga

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    Ice ages appear to happen every 24,000 years or so, with a minor one between (10+ years). This coinsides with the solar systems closest approch t the center of the galaxy. Which elongates the earths orbit around the sun. We are approching that point now. It gets warmer as we move in and cooler as we move away. As the orbit on the solar system is likewise, elongated in it's travel around the Milky Way. The orbits work in conjunction with each other creating our long term weather (ice ages).

    This is one cause. There are others: comets strikes, eruptions, ect.
     
  9. highflyer

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    Stupid Godless liberals will believe anything. Since they don't believe in God they inflate their own importance to the level of God. They have the power to change the temperature of the Earth. Give me a break. Stupid liberals. I hope one of them doesn't get made and destory the sun.
     
  10. Grizzly

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    Al "Egor" Gore into this crap, makes me sick! Noblel Peace Prize my A(*&^s!
    He isn't even a good politician, how in the hell can he be a scientist??!!

    Liberals

    Grizz
     
  11. g7777777

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    Again for all those that think global warming is bad or just following the herd.

    Who are we to know if global warming is bad or not?

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    Well, I'm ready for some global warming, thanks....Bob Dodd
     
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    Who would have guessed that Smokingdope would have come up with that BS. Maybe you could explain how I lost 70% or the fichus trees on my property. I’ve lived in this area most of my life and don’t remember it ever being cold enough to kill fichus trees. We had 10 mature fichus tree on the property and in the coldest sustained 2 week period all lost there leaves (this never has happened before) and 7 of the ten died. And we were not the only ones, these are the most common tree in the area and thousands were lost to cold weather. The country club we belong to lost dozens of 30+ yr old trees. We’ve had lows and cold spells in the past but never the sustained periods.

    The only thing causing Global Warming is Smoking Dope buy the Environuts and the only place Global Warming takes place is in their heads after smoking all that dope.
     
  14. Hap MecTweaks

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    Maybe Al Bore got his hot air information from the right place? Lots of hot air always from Washington DC that's man made. You know how he exaggerates things. Hap
     
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    This is all very funny! It can be disputed as much as is desired.....doesn't change a bloody thing! Get used to it....its for real!
     
  16. highflyer

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    Liberals are scaring me. I don't know which will kill me first. Y2K, aids, the bird flu, Ronald Reagan, corporations, George Bush, the health care crisis, and global warming. They were all supposed to kill me. The sky is falling. Only the Democrats and their socialism can save me. Help me Hillary.
     
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    I forgot second hand smoke and lead in the house paint if I eat it. I think the asbestos shingles on my house will kill me to if I eat them.
     
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    Shot410ga, look up Milankovitch Cycles.

    Bob, you are at the high point now. We are just at our peak for milder winters and cooler summers in the Northern Hemisphere. It gets more extreme from here. the flip side is the colder winters and hotter summers experienced in the Southern Hemisphere, as mentioned above.
     
  19. Butterfingers

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    Just to remind you all, it was the Cave Men that started Global Warming when they lit the fires to cook meat.



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  20. smokerz

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    pendennis says - **Further, most off the .7 degree Celsius increase happened almost exclusively prior to 1939.**

    Nice try, pendennis. Say, does your ability extend to deciphering an X-Y chart? Here's one with 1939 right in the middle. Whooooops!


    <a href="http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/smokerez/?action=view¤t=temps.jpg" target="_blank">[​IMG]</a>
     
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