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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Feb 20, 2010.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Do these IDIOTS even listen????

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama is expected to publish his healthcare plan as early as Sunday or Monday, combining features of the two Democratic bills passed by the Senate and House of Representatives, congressional aides and healthcare advocates said on Friday.

    The administration's bill will aim to jump-start the stalled healthcare overhaul and comes just days ahead of a planned televised White House summit with congressional Republicans, who are calling on Democrats to scrap the bills and start over with a far less sweeping proposal.

    Democrats are struggling to push healthcare legislation over the finish line in the face of sagging public support and solid Republican opposition bolstered by recent election victories in Massachusetts, Virginia and New Jersey.

    The legislation the White House will post on its website is expected to reflect common ground negotiated over the past several weeks by House and Senate Democratic leaders.

    Those agreements are likely to be combined as a privileged budget reconciliation bill, which only needs a simple 51-vote majority to pass the 100-member Senate instead of the 60-vote supermajority that has become routine in the Senate and gives Republicans power to block the healthcare bill.

    "I believe that's the path we are going to take," a senior congressional Democratic aide said.

    But it is not clear, even to congressional Democrats, what the White House will include in its legislation and whether Obama will try to add proposals aimed at attracting at least some Republican support.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have not signed off on any final agreement, several Democratic aides have said.
    "We are still waiting for the president to present to Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi his plan," a Democratic leadership aide told Reuters.

    Valerie Jarrett, one of Obama's closest advisers, said the president would post his draft healthcare bill on the Internet in "the next couple of days."
    "The president is going to craft what he thinks is a good bill. It's not going to be a perfect bill but it's going to be a good bill," she said at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    FACE-OFF WITH REPUBLICANS

    A move to use the budget reconciliation process would fuel Republican opposition even as Obama has called for more bipartisanship in the process.

    "If the president is sincere about moving forward in a bipartisan fashion, he must take the reconciliation process -- which will be used to jam through legislation that a majority of Americans do not want -- off the table," said Representative Eric Cantor, the second-ranking House Republican.

    The Obama face-off with Republicans will give Democrats an opportunity to try to sell their plan to the public and explain why a sweeping, comprehensive proposal is needed instead of the go slow, step-by-step approach advocated by Republicans.

    At a campaign event on Friday for Reid in Nevada, Obama blasted Republicans for opposing his healthcare overhaul. "The Republicans say that they've got a better way of doing it. So, I want them to put it on the table," he said.

    "We're going to move forward the Democratic proposal -- we hope the Republicans have one too," Obama said. "And we'll sit down and let's hammer it out. We'll go section by section. America can't solve our economic problems unless we tackle some of these structural problems."
    Healthcare advocacy groups are looking to the White House proposal and next Thursday's summit to shore up public support, and Democratic votes, in the push to get comprehensive legislation to Obama this year.

    "As soon as the president and (congressional Democratic) leadership are totally together on substance and a strategy, I think the votes will be there," said Ron Pollack, who heads the Families USA healthcare advocacy group.

    The administration, congressional Democrats and advocacy groups have been turning up the rhetorical heat on health insurers that have in recent weeks announced huge premium increases against the backdrop of sizable profits and growing numbers of uninsured people.

    "The premium increases are a powerful reminder that the healthcare problems are not going away," said David Kendall, a senior health policy advisor at centrist think tank Third Way.

    (Additional reporting by Patricia Zengerle in Washington and Jim Finkle in Cambridge, Massachusetts)

    (Reporting by Donna Smith; editing by Todd Eastham)
     
  2. Setterman

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    I've got to believe a lot of Democrats will think twice about supporting this. Could be political re-election suicide.
     
  3. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    On FOX last night they listed the "Public Option" as being in there and it will me mandatory everyone will be on it. Bulge.
     
  4. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    Bulge

    In reference to the public option and other provisions of a lib dem socialist health care proposal, I seriously doubt, "everyone will be on it". For example, I would bet the farm members of Congress and THEIR families are exempted. That's because members of Congress routinely exempt themselves from onerous provisions of legislation. That means any mandatory provisions are only be mandatory for the rest of us. That's the way elitist snobs legislate.

    IMHO, every member of Congress should be subject to the provisions of any legislation they impose on other members of society.

    sissy
     
  5. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Sissy, you are absolutely right the politicians should be on it also. The 28th amendment states that. Bulge.
     
  6. crusha

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    Can you imagine how much insurance premiums will have to go up, once the "Pre-Existing Conditions" exemption is removed? Basically, you'll be saying that people can wait until they get sick to buy insurance...unless some kind of Individual Mandate is combined with it.



    So essentially, there will be absolutely NOTHING different about this bill they're going to propose. They may do it in stages, but it will be the same.



    It has to be.
     
  7. myevh3

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    I think what the Republicans should do is begin buying airtime on Fox to hold their own publicly televised health care debate/forum and completely exludes the Democrates from the process. They could call in all types of sources to testify to how their ideas would help to solve this mess with actutal intelligent ideas. It could be sold to public in a well layed out manner. I'll bet many organizations would get behind it. This administration and their massive government expansion borders on criminal. They are literally stealing from hardworking citizins. I don't see much differnce between a thief breaking into your house and stealing from you and the manner with which this government is preparing to tax us. Of all the taxes one pays the hardworking, ever producing citizien really does not receive much for all we pay into the system at all levels...
     
  8. dbcook

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    buzz gun blue cross is wanting to raise premiunms in iowa an average of 18 % right now.. that is on top of the 10% average rate increase for the last 3 years. this is on individuals that purchase their own insurance..dwain
     
  9. bigdogtx

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    dwain,,,,how much did their payouts go up this past year???? I don't like increases anymore than anyone else does, but the company has to be in business in order to pay their claims....
     
  10. comp 1

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    I have NEVER heard anyone repub or dem alike address the COST of health care and what they intend to do about it.
     
  11. bigdogtx

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    The problem we want the BEST and most up to date healthcare and want it CHEAP...
     
  12. b12

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    What the heck is the matter with you people. I hear this and that about the republicans want to start over. Why start over. Remember we did't wamt any of this sh^%.

    STOP AND THINK. If one piece of paper gets past then all that is needed in short period of time is to just start adding to it.

    Just because they say lets talk this over and scrap some of the bill don't fall for it. It sounds like we are winning something here but in reality we are loosing our freedom and our ass if one senetence gets thru as a bill and turned into law. Geesh don't anybody pay attention. Watch both hands not just the one pointing in the air, but the one getting ready to jab you in the rear. B12
     
  13. dbcook

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    big dog.i believe the ins companies are saying it is the large increases in drug costs that is driving much of this. i used to take nexium for acid reflux twice a day. my part after ins was around 70 bucks a month.i started taking over the counter meds & found the results to be just as good as they were with nexium. the med i take now cost about 28 bucks for enough to last 42 days...dwain
     
  14. Bob Hawkes

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    Where is Tort reform? That's the first issue that should be addressed. What has our government ever done in a fiscally responsible manner?? Never ever do we want them overseeing our healthcare. Bob
     
  15. daddiooo

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    This "summit" Barry is hosting on Thursday in the name of healthcare is nothing more than a photo op and a likely trap for republicans. When they show up I'm sure they'll be labeled the party of "NO" once again. If it's 3 hrs long they need to request half of that time to put forth their plans also. The original bill is 2700 pages long and even the dems have formed a circular firing squad so to speak and can't agree on any of it. So why would you even consider meeting to cover that ground again if that's all this centers around?. The original bill is a POS. (as labeled by many who have actually read it)

    Tort reform won't get the job done no matter what they tell us. The only way to stop all the frivilous lawsuits and junk legal actions and reduce the cost of healthcare is:


    drumroll please........


    YOU LOSE, YOU PAY.

    Until then, the trial lawyers association which donates cash through lobbyists by the wheelbarrow load won't be affected one bit. If you lose, you pay ever gets passed many lawyers will think twice about taking on a loser of a case. Additionally if your client isn't able to pay then it should fall to the attorney to pay. Malpractice insurance and malpractice lawsuits run healthcare costs up more than all other items combined. (from a CNN poll, if you can believe that)
     
  16. Big Az Al

    Big Az Al Well-Known Member

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    so why not do this

    Dear senator/congressman,

    November is not that far away, so please bury the barrys health care plan/plans for all time!

    Remember the Brady Bill? we voters have not forgotten the feel of wiping the slate clean, and while I wouldn't mind having that feeling again, you would sure have put it to the country if I have that feeling again!

    Al Lingham
     
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