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Get ready for a Fiscal Cliff

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Sep 6, 2012.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    and hussein and his minions think it will be good to let the current tax rate expire as it will "hit the rich",,,,,guess they don't realize that it flows downhill and will affect a lot of his voting public,,,,,,,but just like husseincare,,,,,it happens AFTER the election.......

    We will also see another downgrade which will put us on a FASTER destruction path......
     
  2. Gulfstream

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    The guy is truly a clown. Between him and "plugs" Biden, God help our country if they are re-elected!
     
  3. Setterman

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    They'll need the extra money to bail out GM again.
     
  4. crusha

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    If Obama wins, we may well hit the wall, because the Tea Party will never compromise with him.


    And it may be for the best, if so. I'd rather the country hit the wall, than cave on taxes to get some ill-advised "deal" that champions Obama's priorities and raises taxes. Same outcome, just becomes a little clearer whose watch it happened on.


    Democrats say "We'd be in better shape if Congress would cooperate with the President." But if you had a more moderate President, Congress would have to work with him politically. You democrats had a choice in 2008 - you could either pick a solid, established woman candidate who the Republicans wouldn't like, but would begrudgingly be forced to have to work with...or, you could have the "Bright Shiny Object," the activist/organizer with the fascinating "back story" that mesmerized the liberal mind so much.


    You chose the Bright Hussein Object. So this is what you get. A President that fascinates the Left, but whom nobody else will work with.
     
  5. birdogs

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    Our national debt already exceeds our GNP, and there is no plan or even discussion of alternatives to slowing its growth or reducing it. Even if sequestration cuts spending to the degree anticipated, the debt will continue to grow but at a slightly slower rate. America is heading for "marginalization". We will become just another financial basket case with no hope if ever getting out of it. The dollar will lose its "reserve currency" status and our interest rates will skyrocket making it even more difficult, if not impossible to recover. THAT is what we will have left to our posterity. In a few short years we will have gone from "the greatest generation" to the "worst" and maybe "final generation". What a shame.

    Oh, by the way, I should not have mentioned "shame" since that word has been declared politically incorrect by the Democrats. After all, their last two presidents have had none even though they have plenty to be ashamed of. For starters, both have been either disbarred or had their law license "lifted". Yet they show their faces in public and even run for the highest office in the land. Now that's a shame!
     
  6. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    buzz, excellent observation....
     
  7. blade819

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    bigdogtx.... that's funny, the article that you reference says nothing about the President letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire. It says "Congress". The ball is in your court. Suggest you send emails to Boner and Cantor.

    blade819
     
  8. larryjk

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    birdogs, I had heard that the Obama team had both had their law licenses put on hold or set aside. Can anyone tell me what the reasons were? Clinton got nailed for perjury; lying to Congress.
     
  9. kiv-c

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    Don't worry about congress after the election, they will become irelevant after Obumbles starts using his executive orders powers!

    Obama's Second Term Transformation Plans


    The 2012 election has often been described as the most pivotal since
    1860.This statement is not hyperbole. If Barack Obama is re-elected the United States will never be the same, nor will it be able to re-capture its once lofty status as the most dominant nation in the history of mankind.


    The overwhelming majority of Americans do not understand that Obama's first term was dedicated to putting in place executive power to enable him and the administration to fulfill the campaign promise of "transforming America " in his second term regardless of which political party controls Congress. That is why his re-election team is virtually ignoring the plight of incumbent or prospective Democratic Party office holders.


    The most significant accomplishment of Obama's first term is to make Congress irrelevant. Under the myopic and blindly loyal leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats have succeeded in creating an imperial and, in a second term, a potential dictatorial presidency.


    During the first two years of the Obama administration when the Democrats overwhelming controlled both Houses of Congress and the media was in an Obama worshipping stupor, a myriad of laws were passed and actions taken which transferred virtually unlimited power to the executive branch.


    The birth of multi-thousand page laws was not an aberration. This tactic was adopted so the bureaucracy controlled by Obama appointees would have sole discretion in interpreting vaguely written laws and enforcing thousands of pages of regulations they and not Congress would subsequently write.


    For example, in the 2,700 pages of ObamaCare there are more than 2,500 references to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. There are more than 700 instances when he or she is instructed that they "shall" do something and more than 200 times when they "may" take at their sole discretion some form of regulatory action. On 139 occasions, the law mentions that the "Secretary determines." In essence one person, appointed by and reporting to the president, will be in charge of the health care of
    310 million Americans once ObamaCare is fully operational in 2014.


    The same is true in the 2,319 pages of the Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Act which confers nearly unlimited power on various agencies to control by fiat the nation's financial, banking and investment sectors. The bill also creates new agencies, such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, not subject to any oversight by Congress. This overall process was repeated numerous times with other legislation all with the intent of granting unfettered power to the executive branch controlled Barack Obama and his radical associates.


    Additionally, the Obama administration has, through its unilaterally determined rule making and regulatory powers, created laws out of whole cloth. The Environmental Protection Agency on a near daily basis issues new regulations clearly out of their purview in order to modify and change environmental laws previously passed and to impose a radical green agenda never approved by Congress. The same is true of the Energy and Interior Departments among many others.


    None of these extra-constitutional actions have been challenged by Congress. The left in America knows this usurpation of power is nearly impossible to reverse unless stopped in its early stages.


    It is clearly the mindset of this administration and its appointees that Congress is merely a nuisance and can be ignored after they were able to take full advantage of the useful idiots in the Democrat controlled House and Senate in 2009-2010 and the Democrat Senate in the current Congress.


    Additionally, Barack Obama knows after his re-election a Republican controlled House and Senate will not be able to enact any legislation to roll back the power previously granted to the Executive Branch or usurped by them. His veto will not be overridden as there will always be at least 145 Democratic members of the House or 34 in the Senate in agreement with or intimidated by an administration more than willing to use Chicago style political tactics.


    The stalemate between the Executive and Legislative Branches will inure to the benefit of Barack Obama and his fellow leftists.


    The most significant power Congress has is the control of the purse-strings as all spending must be approved by them. However, once re-elected, Barack Obama, as confirmed by his willingness to do or say anything and his unscrupulous re-election tactics, would not only threaten government shutdowns but would deliberately withhold payments to those dependent on government support as a means of intimidating and forcing a Republican controlled Congress to surrender to his demands, thus neutering their ability to control the administration through spending constraints.


    Further, this administration has shown contempt for the courts by ignoring various court orders, e.g. the Gulf of Mexico oil drilling moratorium, as well as stonewalling subpoenas and requests issued by Congress. The Eric Holder Justice Department has become the epitome of corruption as part of the most dishonest and deceitful administration in American history. In a second term the arrogance of Barack Obama and his minions will become more blatant as he will not have to be concerned with re-election.


    Who will be there to enforce the rule of law, a Supreme Court ruling or the Constitution? No one. Barack Obama and his fellow-travelers will be unchallenged as they run roughshod over the American people.


    Many Republicans and conservatives dissatisfied with the prospect of Mitt Romney as the nominee for president are instead focused on re-taking the House and Senate. That goal, while worthy and necessary, is meaningless unless Barack Obama is defeated. The nation is not dealing with a person of character and integrity but someone of single-minded purpose and overwhelming narcissism. Judging by his actions, words and deeds during his first term, he does not intend to work with Congress either Republican or Democrat in his second term but rather to force his radical agenda on the American people through the power he has usurped or been granted.


    The governmental structure of the United States was set up by the founders in the hope that over the years only those people of high moral character and integrity would assume the reins of power. However, knowing that was not always possible, they dispersed power over three distinct and independent branches as a check on each other.


    What they could not imagine is the surrender and abdication of its constitutional duty by the preeminent governmental branch, the Congress, to a chief executive devoid of any character or integrity coupled with a judiciary essentially powerless to enforce the law when the chief executive ignores them

    Conservatives, Libertarians, the Republican Party and Mitt Romney must come to grips with this moment in time and their historical role in denying Barack Obama and his minions their ultimate goal. All resources must be directed at that end-game and not merely controlling Congress and the various committee chairmanships.


    Steve McCann May 12, 2012
     
  10. bigdogtx

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    blade,,,,,do you not understand or comprehend what minions refer to......If you will do some research you will see that hussein touted that "he" extended the "cuts" due to not being smart to let them expire in a recession,,,,,,maybe the recession is over????? I already know what Boehner and Cantor want to do with the Bush cuts,,,,,,any idea what hussein want to do with them????

    Here are a couple quotes from the article that you seem to have missed:

    "Democrats last month threatened to let the nation go over the fiscal cliff unless Republicans agree to a “balanced” deficit package that includes some tax increases."

    "House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday put the onus on Democrats to act on the fiscal cliff. He noted that the House has passed bills replacing the automatic cuts with tailored cuts to mandatory spending such as on food stamps, and extending the Bush-era tax rates."

    Looks like Boehner is doing his part,,,,,seems like it may be your party that is pushing the envelope????


    "The White House argued the new report reinforced the president's argument that House Republicans should approve his plan to extend low tax rates for families with annual income above $250,000 while raising taxes on higher annual income. White House press secretary Jay Carney said the GOP was instead choosing to "double down on the same failed policies that led to the economic crisis in the first place.""

    Looks like that last paragraph shows that hussein is going to let them expire......back in your court.....
     
  11. birdogs

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    Our national debt already exceeds our GNP, and there is no plan or even discussion of alternatives to slowing its growth or reducing it. Even if sequestration cuts spending to the degree anticipated, the debt will continue to grow but at a slightly slower rate. America is heading for "marginalization". We will become just another financial basket case with no hope if ever getting out of it. The dollar will lose its "reserve currency" status and our interest rates will skyrocket making it even more difficult, if not impossible to recover. THAT is what we will have left to our posterity. In a few short years we will have gone from "the greatest generation" to the "worst" and maybe "final generation". What a shame.

    Oh, by the way, I should not have mentioned "shame" since that word has been declared politically incorrect by the Democrats. After all, their last two presidents have had none even though they have plenty to be ashamed of. For starters, both have been either disbarred or had their law license "lifted". Yet they show their faces in public and even run for the highest office in the land. Now that's a shame!
     
  12. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    buzz, excellent observation....
     
  13. blade819

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    bigdogtx.... that's funny, the article that you reference says nothing about the President letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire. It says "Congress". The ball is in your court. Suggest you send emails to Boner and Cantor.

    blade819
     
  14. larryjk

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    birdogs, I had heard that the Obama team had both had their law licenses put on hold or set aside. Can anyone tell me what the reasons were? Clinton got nailed for perjury; lying to Congress.
     
  15. kiv-c

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    Don't worry about congress after the election, they will become irelevant after Obumbles starts using his executive orders powers!

    Obama's Second Term Transformation Plans


    The 2012 election has often been described as the most pivotal since
    1860.This statement is not hyperbole. If Barack Obama is re-elected the United States will never be the same, nor will it be able to re-capture its once lofty status as the most dominant nation in the history of mankind.


    The overwhelming majority of Americans do not understand that Obama's first term was dedicated to putting in place executive power to enable him and the administration to fulfill the campaign promise of "transforming America " in his second term regardless of which political party controls Congress. That is why his re-election team is virtually ignoring the plight of incumbent or prospective Democratic Party office holders.


    The most significant accomplishment of Obama's first term is to make Congress irrelevant. Under the myopic and blindly loyal leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats have succeeded in creating an imperial and, in a second term, a potential dictatorial presidency.


    During the first two years of the Obama administration when the Democrats overwhelming controlled both Houses of Congress and the media was in an Obama worshipping stupor, a myriad of laws were passed and actions taken which transferred virtually unlimited power to the executive branch.


    The birth of multi-thousand page laws was not an aberration. This tactic was adopted so the bureaucracy controlled by Obama appointees would have sole discretion in interpreting vaguely written laws and enforcing thousands of pages of regulations they and not Congress would subsequently write.


    For example, in the 2,700 pages of ObamaCare there are more than 2,500 references to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. There are more than 700 instances when he or she is instructed that they "shall" do something and more than 200 times when they "may" take at their sole discretion some form of regulatory action. On 139 occasions, the law mentions that the "Secretary determines." In essence one person, appointed by and reporting to the president, will be in charge of the health care of
    310 million Americans once ObamaCare is fully operational in 2014.


    The same is true in the 2,319 pages of the Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Act which confers nearly unlimited power on various agencies to control by fiat the nation's financial, banking and investment sectors. The bill also creates new agencies, such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, not subject to any oversight by Congress. This overall process was repeated numerous times with other legislation all with the intent of granting unfettered power to the executive branch controlled Barack Obama and his radical associates.


    Additionally, the Obama administration has, through its unilaterally determined rule making and regulatory powers, created laws out of whole cloth. The Environmental Protection Agency on a near daily basis issues new regulations clearly out of their purview in order to modify and change environmental laws previously passed and to impose a radical green agenda never approved by Congress. The same is true of the Energy and Interior Departments among many others.


    None of these extra-constitutional actions have been challenged by Congress. The left in America knows this usurpation of power is nearly impossible to reverse unless stopped in its early stages.


    It is clearly the mindset of this administration and its appointees that Congress is merely a nuisance and can be ignored after they were able to take full advantage of the useful idiots in the Democrat controlled House and Senate in 2009-2010 and the Democrat Senate in the current Congress.


    Additionally, Barack Obama knows after his re-election a Republican controlled House and Senate will not be able to enact any legislation to roll back the power previously granted to the Executive Branch or usurped by them. His veto will not be overridden as there will always be at least 145 Democratic members of the House or 34 in the Senate in agreement with or intimidated by an administration more than willing to use Chicago style political tactics.


    The stalemate between the Executive and Legislative Branches will inure to the benefit of Barack Obama and his fellow leftists.


    The most significant power Congress has is the control of the purse-strings as all spending must be approved by them. However, once re-elected, Barack Obama, as confirmed by his willingness to do or say anything and his unscrupulous re-election tactics, would not only threaten government shutdowns but would deliberately withhold payments to those dependent on government support as a means of intimidating and forcing a Republican controlled Congress to surrender to his demands, thus neutering their ability to control the administration through spending constraints.


    Further, this administration has shown contempt for the courts by ignoring various court orders, e.g. the Gulf of Mexico oil drilling moratorium, as well as stonewalling subpoenas and requests issued by Congress. The Eric Holder Justice Department has become the epitome of corruption as part of the most dishonest and deceitful administration in American history. In a second term the arrogance of Barack Obama and his minions will become more blatant as he will not have to be concerned with re-election.


    Who will be there to enforce the rule of law, a Supreme Court ruling or the Constitution? No one. Barack Obama and his fellow-travelers will be unchallenged as they run roughshod over the American people.


    Many Republicans and conservatives dissatisfied with the prospect of Mitt Romney as the nominee for president are instead focused on re-taking the House and Senate. That goal, while worthy and necessary, is meaningless unless Barack Obama is defeated. The nation is not dealing with a person of character and integrity but someone of single-minded purpose and overwhelming narcissism. Judging by his actions, words and deeds during his first term, he does not intend to work with Congress either Republican or Democrat in his second term but rather to force his radical agenda on the American people through the power he has usurped or been granted.


    The governmental structure of the United States was set up by the founders in the hope that over the years only those people of high moral character and integrity would assume the reins of power. However, knowing that was not always possible, they dispersed power over three distinct and independent branches as a check on each other.


    What they could not imagine is the surrender and abdication of its constitutional duty by the preeminent governmental branch, the Congress, to a chief executive devoid of any character or integrity coupled with a judiciary essentially powerless to enforce the law when the chief executive ignores them

    Conservatives, Libertarians, the Republican Party and Mitt Romney must come to grips with this moment in time and their historical role in denying Barack Obama and his minions their ultimate goal. All resources must be directed at that end-game and not merely controlling Congress and the various committee chairmanships.


    Steve McCann May 12, 2012
     
  16. bigdogtx

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    blade,,,,,do you not understand or comprehend what minions refer to......If you will do some research you will see that hussein touted that "he" extended the "cuts" due to not being smart to let them expire in a recession,,,,,,maybe the recession is over????? I already know what Boehner and Cantor want to do with the Bush cuts,,,,,,any idea what hussein want to do with them????

    Here are a couple quotes from the article that you seem to have missed:

    "Democrats last month threatened to let the nation go over the fiscal cliff unless Republicans agree to a “balanced” deficit package that includes some tax increases."

    "House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday put the onus on Democrats to act on the fiscal cliff. He noted that the House has passed bills replacing the automatic cuts with tailored cuts to mandatory spending such as on food stamps, and extending the Bush-era tax rates."

    Looks like Boehner is doing his part,,,,,seems like it may be your party that is pushing the envelope????


    "The White House argued the new report reinforced the president's argument that House Republicans should approve his plan to extend low tax rates for families with annual income above $250,000 while raising taxes on higher annual income. White House press secretary Jay Carney said the GOP was instead choosing to "double down on the same failed policies that led to the economic crisis in the first place.""

    Looks like that last paragraph shows that hussein is going to let them expire......back in your court.....
     
  17. blade819

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    Minions accurately describe the Republican House as devoted to Grover Nordquist. The "Fiscal Cliff" budget cut was approved/voted by the Republican House in a bluff strategy. However, the President has turned it around on them by including severe DoD cuts in the over all cut(s). Your (and the rest of the GOP) attempt to disguise Republican obstructionism by faulting Obama is the song of the day and will get louder as we approach January 1st 2013. While John Boner thinks he put the onus back on the Democrats, he and his do nothing GOP House did nothing more than put a temporary ban aide over a very embarrassing festering cut thinking that he could disguise his very limited control over twenty five or so Zealot Tea Party Congress members. Let's see who wins this game of Fiscal Chicken.... :eek:)

    blade819
     
  18. bigdogtx

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    Well blade,,,,,,,it sure as hell won't be us,,,,,,or do you not SEE this and just want to play party politics.????

    Seems YOUR do nothing dumbos have put out a whole LOT of great things now haven't they???
     
  19. scooterbum

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    blade,

    Looks like you'll be an unhappy camper for the next 8, and hopefully more, years while the repubs clean up the crib.
     
  20. blade819

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    Well a significant number of bills to the house that Boner didn't even call a vote for, the Senate... an all time record of philibusters. Boner couldn't even get 1 ONE GOP vote for the Equal Pay Bill. Who's obstructing TX? Don't get me wrong, both sides need improvement! However, it's not until comprimise is accepted by the GOP that this country is going to move forward. That's where we get into the definition of Minions to Grover Nordquist and Rush Limbaugh. Personally I see it as Un-Patriotic. Both sides not just yours. But when blood signed pledges to a DC Nobody and an alligance to a coke snorting "Ditto head" stand in the way of American Progress, well that is as bad as flushing the toilet by pulling the handle! I don't question anyones love of country on this web site, I question everyones love of country if they are not ready to work together toward progress. Like Slick Willie stated two nights ago, while he had many sour, unfriendly relationships with the GOP during his 2 terms, it never evolved into the GOP hatred that we have today. In my past business life, I had many very high dollar negotiations. I learned a long time ago that you don't have to make your adversary love or like you, but you need to make them respect you to move forward. Hopefully one day soon that principle will be accepted in DC. have a great day!

    blade819
     
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