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General Motors- what a damn shame

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  1. hoot619

    hoot619 Member

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    And the UAW International what in the hell are they doing! They are

    suppose to take care of the union people. And this happen!!


    WHAT A SHAME!!!....No More GM for me!

    If this is only 50% accurate, it will light your candle !!!!


    copy and paste what is below
    www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo I received this

    in a e-mail. Ken U
     
  2. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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  3. BAD 303

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    The shame is propping them up for the sake of the unions in the first place. The American taxpayer has way too short a memory. We lose billions to save a few jobs at GM while the stockholders were raped. A company with decades worth of bad decisions does not stop on a dime and reverse course. More of the same and the taxpayers just keep letting it happen.
     
  4. likes-to-shoot

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    Most of the posters on this site vowed to never buy GM after the bailout so what is the big deal here.......You guys are getting what you wanted and yet there are still complaints!!!

    Its a good thing the government (Federal, State or local) never gave non-union companies anything to help their businesses otherwise only the ignorant would complain about the union companys getting goverment money. Yes sireee bob, those Jap car builders with plants here in the US did it all on their own!!! LOL
     
  5. oz

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    caddilacs are made in mexico. 70% of GM vehicles are made in china (gm ceo) dome are made in mexico, canada and korea. Corvettes are still made in USA. Looking for a list. Look at your door post and see where your car is made... I have a japanese car & truck and I know they ar made in the USA. WTF
     
  6. BAD 303

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    LTS I am not getting what i wanted. A company that makes horendus decisions for decvades does not deserve my taxpayer dollars. They should have been allowed to fold and file bankruptcy. That is what every other business is allowed to do by law. What made GM special was the union dollars and membership votes Socialist Hussein needed for re-election.
     
  7. AEST BOSS

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    My 2012 F-350 Powerstroke SuperDuty has a window sticker saying it was built in Kentucky.
     
  8. likes-to-shoot

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    Bad303.......According to this website only 12% of the workforce is union and of that 12% only 61% voted for Obama in 2008......So how in the hell did he get elected with only 7.62% of the union workforce? Are we really that powerfull?? lol

    From what I am gathering there will be more union voters for Romney than what is stated in the article. At least one can only hope.
     
  9. John Galt

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    It's not the votes from union members that matter since there aren't that many of them, it's the huge amount of money appropriated by their unions and given virtually 100% to liberals that matters.
     
  10. likes-to-shoot

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    I can see where your coming from John but what can be done about it?

    If you cut off union contributions you will have to cut of all other contributions also. I think the rules with the super pacs are going to create more problems than answers. It also could be a funnel for foreign money to buy politicians for interests not in favor of our lifestyle.

    Then another question arises, what about the huge amount of money spent by the special interest lobbyist? It could be a never ending circle.

    Bill
     
  11. td_ict_ks

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    An interesting read is American Wheels and Chinese Roads about GM getting into the Chinese market.
     
  12. BAD 303

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    LTS it is not just the bailout for political reasons of GM it is the broader union base that he panders to with the taxpayers money. If he does not bail out GM the rest of the union die hards take it as a slap in the face as well. It is about taxpayer money given to all union causes because he knows it will come back in campaign donations. GM should have been let loose to sink or swim like every other company in the US. It was a political ploy with taxpayer dollars just like the "green" energy bullshit. I too was a union member for 25 years,i just was able to think for myself and undertsand that unions have ruined many a company by their unwillingness to see the big picture. GM was NOT too big to fail but the union members were too important to let walk.
     
  13. crusha

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    Bad, you are correct. GM has purposely held onto the Union, for the same reason some inner-city single black women have more babies...when they have "hostages," they get more Gubmint $$$.


    You don't want anything bad to happen to the "hostages," do you?
     
  14. John Galt

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    lts, the key is to have right to work laws that keep unions from appropriating the money of their members. Do that and then stop unions from being able to get dues witheld from member's paychecks and watch union political coffers go way down, just as happened in WI.
     
  15. AveragEd

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    As a retired GM dealership service manager, I'll throw in some real-life data. When I retired in early 2010, GM's highest quality car (as determined by warranty expense per VIN, the most exacting measurement) was the Buick Lacrosse, built in GM's Oshawa, Ontario #2 plant followed closely by the Chevrolet Impala and Buick Regal, which is/was built in the Oshawa, Ontario #1 plant. My 2002 Buick Regal came out of Oshawa #1 and with 138,000 miles on it, has been about as trouble-free as a car can be.

    The worst ever GM quality came from the long-since shuttered Tarrytown, New York plant, where full-size cars in the 1970s were thrown together. The closed Linden, New Jersey plant where Oldsmobile 98s and some other models were assembled in the late 1970s and early 1980s was pretty bad, too. The old St. Louis, Missouri truck plant that also assembled Corvettes until the 1984 model was a warranty money pit. And the proud old Baltimore, Maryland plant could turn out some real junk until it was the first GM plant to be automated in 1984 for the introduction of the 1985 Astro and Safari vans.

    I now own a 2011 Dodge Grand Caravan Crew, another Canadian-built vehicle, and it is as tight as a new one. It was retired from Enterprise rental service and now has almost 28,000 miles on it.

    I don't know about you, but I've seen a trend of higher Canadian quality for well over a decade. Frankly, I think those people appreciate their jobs a lot more than American production workers do and understand that what's good for their employer is good for them, too. And even though we turn up our noses at them, Mexican-built vehicles are also very good - perhaps for the same reason.

    By and large, today's vehicles are better-built than their predecessors because robotics have taken a lot of the human element out of the assembly process. Design and engineering is a whole other matter, however - no amount of quality assembly can fix stupid.

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  16. crusha

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    Exactomundo, Ed. That's why Toyota chose Cambridge, Ontario for their North American Lexus roll-out back in 02. TMMC was consistently their highest-quality plant. And anybody want to guess whether Chrysler minivans were better from Windsor or SLAP (St. Louis)?


    There are no absolutes, of course, but Toluca, Windsor, Oshawa, Hermosillo...all great plants their respective companies invested well in. Edison, Baltimore, Fremont (pre-NUMMI, when it was still GM), St. Louis (pick one, doesn't matter), Dearborn (in the bad old econobox Mustang days, before they started over and turned it into a tourist trap-slash-political campaign stop with weeds on the roof)...sh!tholes.


    They just gave up on the US market, thanks to the UAW. Oh, they'll make some stuff here if they can get people to pay the (outrageously inflated) price for it...you know, keep the lights on, plant some crap on the roof, and pose out front with Union officials when photographers from the liberal newspapers are around...all while quietly investing their capital ELSEWHERE...but their (profitable) future is someplace else, they know it, and their behavior shows it.


    (Still...don't you wonder how the Japanese are still able to pull it off in Georgetown, Princeton, San Antone, Smyrna, and Marysville, though? They must know something the Detroit guys don't. It's funny, once you get to I-70 and start heading South...the Mayors wearing brightly-colored African head-bands are nowhere in evidence, and that work ethic just re-appears, doesn't it?).
     
  17. Brian in Oregon

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    I think it's brilliant foisting crappy GM products onto the Chicoms.
     
  18. AveragEd

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    And just to clarify the quality of those Canadian-built Buicks, they were not just GM's best, they could be counted upon to lead the entire industry a couple of quarters every year and often did so on a calendar year basis. I remember looking at the plant code in every vehicle's VIN as I checked them in from the carriers. There were some that made me groan but the Canadian ones made me smile.

    It is probably safe to say that all Canadian autoworkers can be proud of their work.

    Some American plants turned out good cars, too. Wentzville, Missouri; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma and the Janesville, Wisconsin truck plant did a good job, too.


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  19. TOOLMAKER 251

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    And while your name dropping quality American assembly plants don't overlook Kentucky truck plant.
     
  20. Joe Potosky

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    The person in charge of GM was on CNBC this AM and when asked, he was for Obama's policies and not for Romney.
     
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