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Game Warden above the law

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by poacherjoe, Oct 2, 2011.

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  1. poacherjoe

    poacherjoe Well-Known Member

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    I set up a trail camera in a tree on a 150 acre tract of land and it was stolen!It has my name and phone number clearly written on the back of it.I had talked with the locals besore setting it up to try and find out who owned the land but no one knew.It is not posted and is very remote,No cattle no nothing so I went ahead and set the camera up.
    A week later I went back to pull the flash card and found out it was stolen.I started my own investigation and about a week later I recieved a tip that the Warden had taken it!He made no effort to call me!
    I contacted his Lt. and told him the story.He contacted the warden and then called me back to set up a time and place of my choice so they could return it to me.
    The Lt. told me he was not happy with the wardens actions.

    1 The warden did not know who's property he was on.
    2 The warden was not called by the property owner.
    3 He made no effort to contact me so I had already purchased a new one to replace the stolen one.
    4 This is not this wardens area of patrol but he grew up in this area and lives close by and he himself hunts,I have heard talk of him using his badge to access private ground for his personal interests but have no proof.
    5 What legal action can I take or is he above the law???
     
  2. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Make an "Official Complaint" through the State's Attorney General's Office, also the County Prosecutor's Office (if there is one) and the State Police and any other podunk PD/Sheriff that'll accept it.

    If all else fails...pee in his coffee!!

    Curt
     
  3. ctreay

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    As you now have two of them put the original back up and the new one in a hidden position just covering the first but in a position to catch his face. If he swipes it again you have proof that you can take to court.

    ctreay
     
  4. poacherjoe

    poacherjoe Well-Known Member

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    When the camera was returned the flash card still had his pictures on it.The problem is he can make up any BS to cover why he was there!The thing that he cant cover is the fact that he did'nt have permission and did'nt know who owned the land so what gives him the right to even touch the camera?I know he was scouting for deer but he being an officer of the law can strech the truth and formulate any BS for probable cause.That's why I want him hooked up to a polyraph and let me question him!I have filed a complaint thru his dept.So it's up to the internal affairs to do the rest.It's obvious that procedure has been broken.He has now gone to the assessors office and found out who owns the land "After the fact"and what he told them I dont know but he said that they would post it properly and that they did'nt want anyone on it.PJ
     
  5. rustygun

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    With a name like poacherjoe, is this your first run-in with a game warden?(LOL) If you really want to know who owns the land you should be able to look it up at the county courthouse. I don't know what state you are in but not all states require land to be posted. In other words you can be charged with trespassing.
     
  6. halfmile

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    Crap on the ground a ways in front of the camera, and watch it with another.

    Works good in unauthorized deer blinds


    HM
     
  7. poacherjoe

    poacherjoe Well-Known Member

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    I knew the poacher thing would come up eventually!!I was the one that told the LT. over the phone about going to the assessors office to find out who owned it.He then pointed this out to the dirty warden so they could soften up the hit that they are going to get from internal affairs dept.The complaint I sent makes note of all these actions.As far as law the signs need to be posted 3 per mile and at entrances to said property so the poaching thing is out the window!PJ
     
  8. John Galt

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    Poacherjoe, let me get this straight, you trespassed upson somebody's land to illegally set up your camera and then you complain when it grows legs and walks off. You are lucky not to have been charged with criminal trespass. If you did that on my land, I would give your camera back to you in multiple pieces, then I would have you arrested for trespassing.
     
  9. Johnny

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    Dang, you really are poacherjoe!
     
  10. Frank C

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    John galt. Let's be serious.
     
  11. John Galt

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    Frank, trespassing is taken seriously around here. You just don't do what joe did without expecting bad things to happen. Perhaps trespassing is OK in your country.
     
  12. gasman03

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    This is a good story. One low life goes on someone's land without permission gets his crap so called stolen and he want the guy who took it punished? I'm thinking you smoking something way back in the woods to pal.

    Corey
     
  13. Frank C

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    john, what country are you living in??
     
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    "I dont know but he said that they would post it properly and that they did'nt want anyone on it."

    Doesn't seem like they have a leg to stand on. They didn't want anyone on it is after the fact. If the law says that it needs to be posted to be private then what the owner wants doesn't enter the picture until it is posted. The law doesn't require the owner wishes just his posters.

    Bob Lawless
     
  15. Portigee Duckman

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    PJ , Is this warden in Mariposa County ? Sounds like the one that came down to
    the Grasslands and Checked us ( shells,blindbags,lic.stamps and birds )(4)DAYS shootdays in a row .Then , walked around in the hunt area for 30 minutes looking for birds that ,he said,we mite have stashed .The Officer visit took
    away about an hour of our morning hunt time on each occasion ,not making us
    very happy and we told him so .We are Waterfowling Sportsmen and are Not there
    to break any Laws .We even offered our Highly trained Duckdogs to help him find
    what he was looking for but ,he refused and continued to mess-up our hunt .
    This is NOT a Warden of our Game and fish ,this is someone that has taken his
    authority and abused it ,giving good Warden a bad name .I believe this fella
    is the SAME WARDEN ?
     
  16. YOTESLAYER

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    I am confused, in Iowa where i live and ground not posted with green public hunting signs is considered private property and it is illegal to enter that property without permission. Are you telling me that is not the case where you live poacher? If you dont need permission to go on ground that is unmarked then I think you have a valid point. was the game warden in uniform when the camera was taken? Was he on the clock?
     
  17. poacherjoe

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    There is such a thing as a good cop and a bad cop.This one is the later.He was relocated several years ago because of alot of complaints being filed against him.The investigation will answer if he was on duty and he was in uniform when he took it.Every state has different laws on trespass.I noted above that it has to be posted.There has been no activity on this land for 3 years and it is not under cultivation,No cattle No nothing.No Permission needed ! He himself has been caught trespassing on this very land and others near it.He is not your role model for a peace officer.Typically when some is caught on film and they are not supposed to be there they remove the camera so no one knows anything.This was a reconyx cam that has a code programmed into it so the thief cannot reuse it.I could tell you some more facts on this guy but it would take up to much space.Plus he can make up whatever story sounds good enough to cover his tail.PJ
     
  18. Brian in Oregon

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    John Galt, quote: <i>"Poacherjoe, let me get this straight, you trespassed upson somebody's land to illegally set up your camera and then you complain when it grows legs and walks off. You are lucky not to have been charged with criminal trespass. If you did that on my land, I would give your camera back to you in multiple pieces, then I would have you arrested for trespassing."</i>

    Trespassing hunters are given one warning on my mother-in-law's ranch. Next time they risk felony trespass charges. (It's a felony to trespass with a firearm in Oregon.) And yes, the entire ranch is fenced, because we run cattle on it. Non-family trail cams are destroyed. (Don't know if they belong to hunters or bunny huggers - we've had spotted owl counters trespass on the property too. They've been escorted off.)

    Interestingly the elk hunters that have trespassed are the same ones who wound up getting the adjoining BLM land closed to hunting with their idiotic antics. Hasn't stopped them from trespassing on the BLM land. I think they're happy that they managed to lock it out for everyone else.
     
  19. Frank C

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    IMO game wardens consider you guilty till proven otherwise! Sorry to say I won't give them the time of day!
     
  20. j2jake

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    Poacherjoe you ststed there is no permission needed for this land. If so how is the Warden trespassing? Seems to me you are applying different standard for him. Taking the camera is a seperate issue. Jake
     
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