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FS: Holland & Holland sxs Gorgeous! REDUCED!

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  1. englishupland

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    Nice older H&H sxs
    Nitro proof steel barrels.
    English grip, 30" barrels 12ga
    Hand removable back action locks!

    Refinished with deep bluing and beautiful case colors
    Properly done!

    A chance to own a London Best Gun at a reasonable amount of $

    Treat yourself, you've earned it!


    Serious inquiries only please


    No unintending picture collectors
    Asking $5900
     
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    Is the H&H an early Royal with BA locks, or is it a Dominion grade? Original barrels or sleeved? Original London Proof or re-proof? Bore diameter matches proof? Chamber 2 3/4 or 2 1/2"? Who did refinish of wood and metal? Stock dimensions, please. Thanks. Lyle
     
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    Please email me the pictures & dimensions at xxnajmussaqibrao@yahoo.comxx ( drop the X's.
    Thanks.
     
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    A 3" Holland, Nice! Jeff
     
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    It appears posted photo shows minimal wall thickness of right barrel to be .019? If this is correct it is not likely to have cleared most recent London Proof with .019 minimum barrel wall. The barrel flats don't indicate London Re-proof so I would assume the .019 barrel wall thickness would render it out of proof? Who did the metal and stock refinish? Thanks. Lyle
     
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    bossbasl,

    You are partly right...

    I offer this from a shotgun shooting Brit...

    "With English proof the barrel wall thickness tells you how much metal there is left in the barrel tube walls but that measurement on its own is only a very small part of the barrels state of health. To us Brits it is the bore diameter measured 9 inches from the breach face that can tell you a lot more about what has been taken away and what is left as far as the guns proof life expectancy is concerned.

    You did say 2 ½ inch chamber so I assume it is a 12 bore and the starting figure for a 12 bore barrel is .729 inch measured at 9 inches from the breach if the gun started life at the correct size give or take a few thousands of an inch. The other and most important measurement is .740 inch at 9 inches from the breach because this is the last acceptable size a 12 bore gun barrel can be before it goes out of this proof range but the working end size is usually .739 in reality to have some working life in the barrel.

    So between .729 and .740 you can see at a glance if the barrels have been fine bored to remove some dents or pitting etc. and more importantly how much wear and polishing can be done to the bore before it reaches that stomach churning figure of .740 which here in the UK means an oversize re proof with the chance that the gun can end up as a pile of high value scrap on the proof house floor.
    I hope this is of some help to you."

    DAMASCUS

    Back to this gun, a true measure of bore diameter at 9" would go a long way to telling the 'health' of the barrels.

    I do note that there are three London proof marks (the ones with the crowns or sword) visible on the right flat (the same appear to be on the left flat as well), one of these groupings is for 'Nitro Proof' (the sword). Further, there is another proof (LC/12 mark) from London/Birmingham.

    This suggests that the gun may have been re-proofed at some point in the past.

    I list a link to a good source for UK proof marks at the top of this page.

    I'd like to see where the top lever sits with the gun fully assembled - photographed from above, as well as the serial number on the gun itself.

    The owner states that the metal has been refinished - a respectable job (the case coloring could be nicer...). Looks like the wood has been worked on as well (it sits very flush to the action, which is a bit unusual - it would have been 'high' on a new gun), but again, a re-finish of the wood is fine, just so long as it is known (from the looks of it this was done a while ago).

    I would state that this is a GOOD price for the gun as offered. If I were to buy it I would want to see the top lever position, be sure the action is 'on face,' check bore diameters, and evaluate the metal re-finish in person. A good look down the bores for pits or dents and a once over on the wood.

    That being said, I restate my above comment: for the money, as offered, this could be a really nice deal...
     
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    HSLDS; You make some very valid observations regarding the barrel health and condition of this H&H. As this is a 76 mm chambered gun, it is certain that the barrel thickness started life a lot more robust than minimum .019. As you pointed out, the real issues that need sorting out are if the most recent re-proof was done with the barrels in the present condition (e.i., are they still in proof?); is the gun on face, wear on bites, barrel interior and striking, and metal appears to be a bit proud of wood. If all these items pass muster, then I would agree that the asking price for what appears to be an H&H Dominion grade is reasonable. If not, then your description of what could happen on the floor of the Proof House is very apt. That best describes the value of a Proof Law as it is in the best interest of the shooter to be safe in "shooting the gun" vs. "wearing the gun". Thanks. Lyle
     
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    This left Holland & Holland with 30" barrels and 3" chambers!
    I spoke with them about the build yesterday.
    They were impressed.

    This is a nice gun, and a great price. You can scour the internet all week and will be hard pressed to find a H&H double for 6k at all, and if you do, it will likely have cut barrels, 2 1/2" chambers, and sleaves. Not to mention worn bluing ect...

    Finding one with factory hand detachable locks at this price point is nearly impossible.

    The gun feels tight with, and without the forend on, and the top latch sits about center or a little to the right..

    I bought this from a dealer a few years ago, and was told it was indeed a shooter, and the thiner area is in a low pressure spot behind the choke...He recommended rst shells and plenty of fun in the field or club


    Im putting together an African trip and, have located a DR, and am selling to help finance that...

    So, as I stated originally, it's a nice english best gun at a great price for someone who always wanted to try that....

    Thanks
     
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    Accepting offers if someone is interested
     
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