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  1. poe/IL

    poe/IL TS Member

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    Another stupid question from a newbie. I've only been shooting trap now for less than one year. I'm 69 years old and my wife and I just took up the sport last summer so please forgive my dumb questions.

    I'm trying to figure out foot positioning on the line. Here is what seems to be the best idea I've come up with so far, but I haven't tried this yet. The trap field is laid out from the trap house. Each imaginary line from the trap house to the shooting post is 11° degrees from its neighbor. My thinking is if that is true to get the best swing my feet should be at a 45° angle to that 11° imaginary line. So what I'm trying to do now is make a perpendicular line to the 11° line then set up my feet at a 45° to the perpendicular line.

    Does this sound reasonable? I've read a lot about the positioning of your feet but I have never seen it defined as to exactly where you should stand. Maybe I'm just missing it?

    What I've been doing as of now is just finding a comfortable stance when I'm on the line with my toes along that imaginary line. I've noticed if I get a hard left sometimes my swing is not comfortable. If I try to correct for that sometimes I go to far and my right swing is not comfortable. Last week I started practicing in the house on my swing and have noticed that I get a real good swing if my feet are at a 45° angle to this imaginary line.

    Any comments or suggestions?

    Thank you, Brian
     
  2. otnot

    otnot Active Member

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    Brian your already doing what is right. Your experimenting on what feels good to you. My advice is don't try and make this game any harder than it already is. Are you right handed? For me on station 1 my left foot is at 1 o'clock and by the time I get to station 5 it's at 3 o'clock. But that is me. I see people with their feet spread wide and some that have their heels touching. Just find the foot position that allows you to swing that is most comfortable for that station. The most important aspect of shooting is learning to see the target before you move the gun. Have fun and enjoy this great frustrating sport.

    Jim
     
  3. Onceabum

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    Brian,

    Jim (otnot) is right.

    Following is a post that was on this site a few years ago.

    “I saw a shooter a couple of months ago teaching his young son to shoot. Good for him. Then I watched as he placed the boy’s feet in a particular position and told him not to move them. The kid shot a few rounds, then told his Dad the way he was standing did not feel good. His Dad told the boy to keep his feet in that position, that he would get used to it.

    ANY foot position is incorrect if you are not comfortable. Stand in a way that feels the best to you. There may be times when you must adjust slightly to cover all angles on a particular post but it is UNNECESSARY to be in a bind anytime while shooting.

    Always be as comfortable as possible on every post. If you have to cross your legs, stand on one foot or get down on one knee to be comfortable, then do it. While the rest of your squad have their feet positioned like it shows in books (some conflict with others) you just enhanced your chances of beating them.”

    BB
     
  4. TEXASZEPHYR

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    What you might try, is figuring the distance stake is set at the middle of the field, and line up so that you can easily turn left or right when you are centering on that position. When you are on positions 1 and 5, you will not be centered on the trap house. It is not the center of the field of the target when on these positions. The farthest right a target can go when looked at position 1 is nearly a straight away. The position 5 will be almost a straight away when the target goes its max to the left. Watch targets for a while and find the best place for you to place your feet. Another thing to do is with your eyes closed, mount your gun. Now open your eyes and see where your gun is pointed, move your feet until you are lined up for the center, then try again with the eye closed thing. You will find a place on the field where you can swing easily from and use that place to align your feet. It takes a little time to find whats right for you, just keep working on it

    Bob
     
  5. tad houston

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    Bran,

    I think you are on the right track, pretty much what Harlan teaches, just add keep your feet no more than shoulder width.
     
  6. Old Cowboy

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    I stand so an imaginary line just touching the toe of both my shoes if extended out would be parallel to the extreme left angle target (right handed). On post one this line will be approx 45* to the front edge of the pad increasing progressively thru' the posts until I'm standing at a 90* angle to the front of post five. Sounds like about what you're already doing Brian?

    John C. Saubak
     
  7. whiz white

    whiz white Strong Supporter of Trapshooting Banned

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    Pick up a copy of the video of "Trapshooting with the Remington Pros." Motordoc here sells it for $25, I believe.

    I base my success on it. It got me to the 27 in 13 months, and I always used to have it running at our club when we started new trap leagues for the new shooters. There as some old shooters who could benefit from watching it as well.

    This discussed proper foot position at its best.

    IMHO.

    Whiz
     
  8. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    " a line across the toes of the feet parallel to the extreme left hand target from post 5, (extreme right from post1 for LH)." Gun favors the most right hand bird ."

    I seem to remember this as a quote from D. Lee Braun, and "Trapshooting Fundamentals" found at the following URL

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    Nicely Done Website
     
  9. whiz white

    whiz white Strong Supporter of Trapshooting Banned

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    Big-M-P: You are absolutely correct.

    What amazes me is watching some of my local shooters who stand such that a line drawn across their toes would meet the FRONT of the square they are standing in. I am amazed that the lefties can hit lefts, and righties can hit rights. A couple of these guys are 27 yarders too.

    When I get a marginal break, the first thing I do is look at my feet. Britt Robinson taught me that you may even have to make some slight adjustments based upon the wind conditions, buy ONLY baby step adjustmens.

    Whiz
     
  10. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    I'm having that same issue with some gentlemen locally teaching others. I see new shooters literally turning their backs to the traphouse. I asked one to close his eyes, mount his gun comfortably, then open them and tell me what he was aiming at. He did, then told me he was aiming at the haybail in front of the adjacent traphouse. I asked him why, when the targets he was shooting were 90 to 130* to his left. Because someone told him how to do it. I explained to him, when you swing to the target, if your butt and thighs get all tight and bunched up, your feet are out of position. Handed him the booklet, asked him to read it. I feel like an Evangelist!!...lol

    Jim
     
  11. wolfram

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    I think we are all saying the same thing here but my simplistic approach to foot position is place the feet with the off gun side forward and the other foot staggered back to where you can move your upper body and easily cover any angle the target may be presented at. Space your feet wide enough to create a stable platform yet narrow enough to allow movement at the waist. Don't spend too much mental energy on getting it just right, save that for seeing the target.
     
  12. trapperjohn

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    When I first took instruction from a "professional instructor", the first thing he worked on with me was foot position. When watching me shoot at later times, he commented on how I checked my foot position on each station before the first shot.

    After years of doing "what was recommended" I got to thinking that if I were in the field and saw a bird take flight, a rabbit jump or a deer run, I would not check my foot position before taking a shot. Unless I just wanted to waste a shot. So, I started shooting from "comfortable" positions and kept track of the results. So far, I mount the gun much more consistantly and feel a natural response to swinging. I feel you will naturally favor the direction that you feel will be the toughest way to swing. Just as your eye will track the target and the gun will move to that location.

    Then, again, I've seen people stand with both feet parallel to their shoulders and perpendicular to the imaginary line.


    Results may vary.

    Trapper John
     
  13. waverider

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    At each station I visualize the hard right and left angles that the target could fly to determine the middle of the "V". I align my stance so the middle of my swing is a little to the right of the center path that the target may take. I also make sure that I am standing or straddling the imaginary line that runs through the post from the trap, usually running through the middle of the post.

    Jason
     
  14. Rollin Oswald

    Rollin Oswald Active Member

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    The best stance for each shooter should allow a swing just far enough to reach slightly past the most extreme angled target from each station. Swings should involve body rotation at the waist and hips and not arm-swinging.

    Each of us has a slightly different ability to rotate our bodies without moving our feet. It is the one important variable in choosing a stance.

    In my book, I recommend the following stance as a good starting point: Stand as you stand, normally. Position the feet about shoulder-width apart so that an extended line across the tips of the toes of both feet would be parallel to a line down station 5 for right-handed shooters and down station 1 for left-handed shooters. Use this stance on all stations.

    This stance allows most shooters to swing correctly and be able to reach all targets from all stations and avoid sloppy swings that can result with a stance that allows swinging too far beyond extreme targets.

    It is easy to check and do your set-up with the toe-line parallel to station 5 or 1 from all stations. It is also very similar to some of the recommendations above.

    Rollin
     
  15. BigM-Perazzi

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    I think it works better on surfboards...

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  16. waverider

    waverider Well-Known Member

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    BigM-Perrazi,

    Only if trying to hang ten. A little more sideways and wider stance will increase stability, also you want to be more to the rear of the board. ;)

    Jason
     
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