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Food For Political Thought (OT)

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Hauxfan, Oct 10, 2008.

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  1. Hauxfan

    Hauxfan Well-Known Member

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    CERTAINLY FOOD FOR THOUGHT! DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN - DOES IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? JUST THINK WE ARE ABOUT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WE HAVE MADE EVERY ELECTION. THESE ARE PROFOUND WORDS FROM A NEWSPAPER GUY, AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL SOCIALISTS. I WISH THERE WERE A WAY TO START FRESH WITH ALL 545. CAN YOU THINK OF EVEN A HAND FULL YOU WOULD KEEP?
    "545 People".....By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
    then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered why, if both the
    Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have
    you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are
    against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I
    don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on
    appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't
    set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy,
    The Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme
    Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly,
    legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that
    plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that
    problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated
    its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered
    but private central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
    They have no legal authority. They have no ability to
    coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking
    thing.

    I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
    The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter
    what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to
    determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that
    what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this
    common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
    amount of gall. No normal human being would have the
    gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating
    deficits.

    The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress
    to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law
    of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for
    originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

    Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority
    party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can
    approve any budget they want.

    If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they
    agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not
    replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of
    incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic
    problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

    When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power
    of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they
    want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the
    budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines
    are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ.

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement
    plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they
    hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice
    they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and
    from whom they can take this power.

    Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists
    disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation' or 'politics'
    that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power.

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
    their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own
    employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel.

    And keep in mind this Congress only worked 93 days last year! The
    shortest season in history and at a time when we are at war and the economy
    is tumbling!

    Hauxfan!
     
  2. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    I got that one in an email too. And I agree to a point.

    But this time it DOES make a difference. You have a Manchurian candidate, who by all reports has been trained from teenage on and funded by foreign money. They can deny all they want, but it's there, and part of unalterable records if you care to look.

    The son of a bitch has an agenda. He masquerades as a black, and his blackness is 3 per cent. He says Change and had a record number of earmarks. His wife is an America hating bitch. He cheated on the election to Ill Senate by running unopposed after getting the opponent's nomination signatures disqualified.

    A dangerous man in dangerous times, and if he is the next President, any of Bush's sidestepping legal procedure will look like a popsicle stand in business.

    The pukes will not be happy with their chosen one.

    HM
     
  3. poacherjoe

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    Why does every die hard member of each major political party go out of the way to put a member of the opposite party DOWN??Never do they say anything nice,Only negative!No matter who get's elected I would like to see CHANGE in that everyone work together instead of AGAINST each other.Demo. or Repub. they both make mistakes and crimes against the people,Look back to NIXON!!Watergate Was he HONEST??Did he make mistakes??He was a Repub.Look at CLINTON he made mistakes too!Look at BUSH,Weapons of mass destruction!!I am not going to single out anyone else or point to the failures, they are all a bunch of crooks.So instead of pointing fingers at each other LEARN to except who is in power and work together!Is this possible?Alot of people on this site are one way and think they know it all and there party is the only way to vote!!Look at the voting pamplet that was mailed to you and see how thick the pamplet is.Tell me HONESTLY how many of you read all the propositions and FULLY understand the full meaning of what you have read or are you more influenced by the media and hearsay in your vote??Most do the latter!People are either to buzy or lazy to spend that much time reading and a lack of education complicates this too!I do not claim to know everything but I like to keep an open mind and work with others.Just remember NO ONE is PERFECT! PJ
     
  4. Dahaub

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    Poacher Jo-------- you are correct. The more fear a person has the more they accuse and complain. Let us hope the market won't tank completely and take all the pension funds with it. Some have lost over 40 percent and when the market corrected it went way overboard. I've been told a 10% drop was a correction and this is a whole lot more than that. I wonder if the stocks were that overvalued? It's Friday and the market is about to close and they have gone from 800 down to a plus side market at one time a few minutes ago over 240 up so it's a volitile time. Seems like a lot of people have to have someone to point the finger to instead of taking the blame and applying it to those that have done nothing for us. Dan
     
  5. pendennis

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    Is it a "put-down" to bring honesty into the political arena? Since when is a person's political, social, or educational background not an issue for political consideration? Obama's association with Ayers, Alinski, Wright, and other socialists/collectivists is fair game; as is McCain's association, and subsequent publicity about his relationship with Charles Keating. Why isn't everyone jumping up and down about his "crossing the aisle" and aligning himself with Russ Feingold and Ted Kennedy on legislation.

    I, for one, am not interested in getting along with anyone who is out to reduce, or eliminate, my U.S. constitutional rights. This is something the modern Democrats (i.e. socialists/collectivists) are attempting to do with their left-wing agenda; and make no mistake about it, it is an agenda. It is the creeping socialism that has been actively sought since the 1930's.

    Spend some time reading Freiderich Hayek's, "The Road To Serfdom". This work was published in 1944, and exactly describes what the socialist/collectivist activists are attempting. The U.S. population would never stand for socialism/collectivism if brought to an actual vote. However, they've stood by while rights have been diminished through socialist/collectivist programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, progressive income taxes, the Federal Reserve, and other programs which put increasing amounts of power in the hands of the Federal Government. This condition is an oligarchy, and is but one more step toward socialism/collectivism. Every time you bemoan the wealth of others, and allow someone from the government to take another's wealth, and redistribute it, you are part of the problem. The idea of so-called "common good" is oxymoronic on its face. There is no "common good".

    This President is as much an enabler as Clinton or Carter. No conservative is he.

    Finally, NO, we can't all just get along, especially with those who wish to lessen my wealth and freedom.

    Dennis
     
  6. Big Az Al

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    It is not just Mccain and obamma, it is the senate and congrees also!

    Take a look at the bills and sound bites of this last summer, and look at the legislation we are looking at getting if obamma is elected, thus giving the democrats a mandate to what they want!

    As a gunowner, shooter having a part time buisness in the firearms sector, I am afraid of obamma, seeing the demoasses in congress I am twice afraid of him!

    Everyone should take their blinders off and look at this election from all sides top to bottom!

    Then like the last to elections, chose the lesser of the evil/harm, and vote accordingly!

    Mccain at least (even if it was a ploy) tried to bring legislation to prevent the meltdown we are now having! And yes he has lobbyists on his campaign staff!

    While Saint (to some) obamma is employing the CEO's on his campaign staff that took hundreds of millions of dollars out of the banks melting down!

    So wich is the lesser of evil of the two? If on this count you cannot say Mccain we are in a world of hurt!

    Al
     
  7. pendennis

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    Creeping socialism/collectivism is not beatable in one fell swoop, just as it's not achievable in one fell swoop. Conservatives will have to start at the local level, take over one level of government at a time, and then go for the bigger prizes. Just like how the socialists/collectivists have done it.

    Dennis
     
  8. recurvyarcher

    recurvyarcher Well-Known Member

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    Read Dennis' post again, 'cuz he's got it right.

    And, yeah, PoacherJoe, I read it all. I also understand what I read. It would serve you well to do the same.
     
  9. GRR

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    DO I SEE A REVOLUTION HERE.....US (THE PEOPLE) VS THE POLITICIANS

    MAYBE THATS WHY THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY
     
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