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Flint police shoot family dog in own yard

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  1. tom-n8ies

    tom-n8ies Member

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    Sad.
    What is this world coming to? True the dog was running loose but I don't think it should have been shot. What if it just happened to get loose?

    The police officer even managed to shoot the house a few times, wonder what it did wrong?

    I hope he is pleased with himself shooting someones family pet in front of them.

    story here http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=6042215

    tom
     
  2. crusha

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    Shooting dogs is S.O.P. for any department...but shooting the house?


    Sounds like they should get a lawyer on that latter part.


    Unfortunately, police departments draw their pool of "human talent" from the general population, and...well, draw your own conclusions.
     
  3. BDodd

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    Maybe he missed the house?....Bob Dodd
     
  4. CalvinMD

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    was the house a willing or unwilling participant?
     
  5. Shooting Coach

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    I did NOT train this Officer. He would have only needed one shot if I had. LOL

    Unfortunately, this is often Dept. policy. I have been telling folks for several years that Law Enforcement is getting militarized. IT is not going to get better.

    Last November I went to a week long Advanced Law Enforcement Training Camp. There were Military, Local, State, and Federal Law Enforcement, along with several other Contract Law Enforcement Trainers besides myself.

    Bottom line. WE ALL TOOK THE SAME TRAINING. A Military guy was flown in from Iraq to attend the camp. His stuff was delivered by military escort as needed. His pistol was the M-9 Beretta. His Patrol Rifle was JUST LIKE OURS, but full auto. His shotgun was a Remmy 870 Police, JUST LIKE OURS. When the camp was over, they flew him back to Iraq. In the above photo, I am standing next to him on the Shotgun Range with Brian Hoffner, one of the premier Law Enforcement trainers in the WORLD.

    Did I mention we took the SAME training he did? This was not an outlaw training camp. It was P.O.S.T. (Peace Officers Standards and Training) certified in Louisiana.
     
  6. crusha

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    Hey, look everybody!


    Yet once again, it's Shooting Coach's photo of his last skeet shoot, holding his Daisy Red Ryder BB gun!


    (I never get tired of looking at that one...)
     
  7. ArmyMechanic

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    Sounds like that cop needs some training, both on marksmanship (which is obvious that the house was being agressive so he had to shoot it. and with respect to another living creature. if that were one of my dogs... i might have mistaken that the cop was shooting me on my own property and had to shoot him back... it was so quick.. i was defending myself shytbag cop!
     
  8. Shooting Coach

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    Aggressive houses MUST be shot quickly and often.

    This is NOT a picture of my Skeet league. There is not a pink TUTU in sight.
     
  9. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Ah, I see the "Keyboard Tiger" is still around spewing lies.....

    Just gotta love a tough guy!

    Curt
     
  10. noknock1

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    The officer def screwed up by violating some shooting rules about knowing what is behind your target and the penetration/maximum range of the round being shot, etc.

    But let's not get to hasty, seems we need some more facts before we go armchair quarterbacking this one.

    Was the black lab wearing a visible collar?

    Was the other dog that this dog was with truly aggressive and thus this one was judged by that behavior?

    Are there wild dogs in the area?

    If so have these coy dogs or just plain mean dogs if messed with humans?

    Have these wild dogs shown aggression towards pets?

    Where I live we don't have a problem with wild dogs. Should a neighbor call 911 in my town, the dispatcher would forward to animal control.

    However we do have coyotes that have eaten a few pets and should the same call comes in, and then a deputy will show up and shoot the coyote.

    I just wonder if there are more facts not known to us that would cause the 911 operator to dispatch an officer and then the officer to use deadly force once on scene?

    Did the neighbor who called 911 have an issue with neighbor’s dogs running around off leash all the time?

    Did the neighbor who called 911 have enough and decided to tell 911 that these two dogs are being aggressive and then the cop show up and the 60 pound creature come charging with tongue out and tail wagging? LOL

    There is probably more to this story than was reported. Then again the media rarely gets the facts wrong or fails to include the pertinent ones. LOL
     
  11. JB Logan Co. Ohio

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    If it would have been my dog that got shot (for no good reason..not necessarily why the dog in story got shot) they would have had to shoot me and then remove the firearm from the officer's rear end as that's where I would have stuffed it. Don't mess with someone's dog unless you are in fear of your life, 'cause if you do you will be.

    JB=Jerry Beach 8503917
     
  12. Sgt. Mike

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    Shooting animals was not policy for us unless we were attacked. The only animals I had to put down were ones the owners had botched and the animals were suffering. I wouldn't let them suffer another hour to get a vet to the scene. Hated that part of the job. Michael
     
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    The same cop also handcuffed a 14 yr kid and had him in the police car along side the dead dog at the curb. The kid lived 4 doors down and was upset about it . I don't blame the kid one bit. I hope they sue ,hell with the apology. Ken Uhlbeck
     
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    Ok now what's the real story, police officers do not just go out and chase dogs without a real complaint and a reasonable emergency problem, like biting, attacking etc, and even then animal control would soon get involved and believe me the officer would gladly give the complaint over to them. Shooting where he could hit the house not to smart; and maybe he was over aggressive, not everyone in a uniform has a lot of common sense; Its tough to get the best when you must pick from the top three. Whats the real story, How did the police department repond. Your common sense will let you know who was right or wrong when you get that answer. Fraz
     
  15. hoot619

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    Did you read the whole thread!!Ken
     
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    Ken. Yes I have, and as I said what's the whole story, Never the less it is obvious that responsible common sense was not at hand and it appears regarding the shooting ie. bullet holes in the house, that reckless endangerment & dismissal should be the order of the day. Interesting to follow and see what happens. Fraz
     
  17. tom-n8ies

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    If I were the cop I would have asked anyone around the scene (the dogs own yard) who's dog it was and maybe issued a ticket if the dog was aggressive toward me approaching the house but he didn't, he just pulled up stuck the rifle out the window and blasted the dog. If it was my dog I would have been in jail, you can probably guess why.

    I guess Michigan dog law of 1919 states a dog can be shot anytime when loose even during hunting season. The dog law of 1919 leaves it pretty much wide open.
    I love my dogs they are licensed and I keep them tied up but they do escape rarely.

    tom

    DOG LAW OF 1919

    Act 339 of 1919

    287.286a Sworn complaint; contents; issuance of summons; hearing; order; penalty for disobedience; costs; audit and payment of claims.

    Sec. 26a.

    (1) A district court magistrate or the district or common pleas court shall issue a summons similar to the summons provided for in section 20 to show cause why a dog should not be killed, upon a sworn complaint that any of the following exist:
    (a) After January 10 and before June 15 in each year a dog over 6 months old is running at large unaccompanied by its owner or is engaged in lawful hunting and is not under the reasonable control of its owner without a license attached to the collar of the dog.
    (b) A dog, licensed or unlicensed, has destroyed property or habitually causes damage by trespassing on the property of a person who is not the owner.
    (c) A dog, licensed or unlicensed, has attacked or bitten a person.
    (d) A dog has shown vicious habits or has molested a person when lawfully on the public highway.
    (e) A dog duly licensed and wearing a license tag has run at large contrary to this act.
    (2) After a hearing the district court magistrate or the district or common pleas court may either order the dog killed, or confined to the premises of the owner. If the owner disobeys this order the owner may be punished under section 26. Costs as in a civil case shall be taxed against the owner of the dog, and collected by the county. The county board of commissioners shall audit and pay claims for services of officers rendered pursuant to this section, unless the claims are paid by the owner of the dog.

    History: Add. 1927, Act 114, Eff. Sept. 5, 1927 ;-- CL 1929, 5271 ;-- CL 1948, 287.286a ;-- Am. 1977, Act 261, Imd. Eff. Dec. 8, 1977

    (section 20 refers to a dog killing livestock}

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    Looks like there will be a lot of comments on this one......

    http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=6042215
     
  18. Mr Newbius©

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    I wonder if he was using a full or modified choke and if it was 8's or 7-1/2's?
     
  19. hoot619

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    My first thought Mr. Newbius, was that you get the shot right where you sit!
     
  20. jimbotrap

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    I haven't seen to many mean Labs. My own lab will threaton anybody that chances into my yard or to close to my truck. On the other hand if a person simply keeps calm the worst she will do to them is give them a big sloopy kiss.
    Do not know all facts. But in our area a police officer shooting a dog, in a person's yard, would probably be looking for a new source of employment. - Jim
     
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