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Flag-Folding Recitations Banned

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Lkn4rocks, Oct 28, 2007.

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  1. Lkn4rocks

    Lkn4rocks TS Member

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    FYI .... Federal government bans flag-folding recitations following one complaint. It is time for Christians to say enough is enough!

    In the latest attack on Christianity, the U.S. government has banned the flag-folding recitations at all 125 national cemeteries. The banning came as the result of one complaint! The situation is similar to that in which one person removed prayer from schools.

    This article from The Associated Press explains the situation.

    Complaints about religious content have led to a ban on flag-folding citations by Veterans Administration employees and volunteers at all national cemeteries.
    At thousands of military burials, VA volunteers have folded the American flag 13 times and recited the significance of each fold to survivors. The 11th fold glorifies "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.� The 12th glorifies "God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost."

    Citing a need for uniformity, the National Cemetery Administration has prohibited unpaid VA volunteers as well as employees from conducting the recital at all 125 national cemeteries.

    American Legion attorney Rees Lloyd calls it another attempt by secularist fanatics to cleanse any reference to God.

    Following one complaint, the Veterans Administration has made anti Christian bigotry the law of the land. The U.S. government has bowed to pressure from one radical anti Christian secularist. Allowed to stand, the action by the Veterans Administration, in essence, means that anti-Christian bigotry is now the accepted and approved law of the land.

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  2. halfmile

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    Kill the SOB.

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  3. ec90t

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    That's a bunch of BS! Who ever made this decision should have to answer to the masses in person!

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  4. Lkn4rocks

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    Bernie ..... Thanks for the input but don't be too quick to dismiss this thread as fiction; the statement at your URL only notes that the explanation of each fold is not required but does not state the folding explanations are not true. The most recent posted URL takes you to the story that is the basis of this thread.

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  5. Gargoyle!

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    I hope someone stands up to the Department that has caved in to send such a order out. OUR military people young and old HAVE EARNED the privlage the right to have that done for them when their time comes. I for one am getting sick and tired of just a small number of assholes telling us how to do things. You do not cut corners at cemeteries.
     
  6. Hipshot 3

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    I'm confused to! I have to agree with what Gun1357 said.....thats all I ever heard at a military funeral also! I DO feel the folding of the flag can/should be done without any recitations. "Canned" recitations may NOT fit the religious or non-religious beliefs of the deceased, therefore are NOT appropiate at ALL funerals.........only appropiate if they are in accord with the deceased known convictions/beliefs!
     
  7. mobear

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    Well said Hipshot 3, those are my thoughts exactly
     
  8. jimbob

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    Find the complainer and de-nut him....
     
  9. GrubbyJack

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    I have been to 3 funnels at a national cemetery, I have never heard of this, being in charge of 3 funerals in private church cemetery, it was never done and not listed in the orders … After folding the flag, the detail would hand the flag to me and I would hand it to the Chaplin, and he said a few words to the widow or Mother…but never was anything ever said while the flag was being folded…..for all the know-it-alls…here is what the FM 22-5 says… At the conclusion of "Taps," the rifles of the firing party are locked, and the escort commander commands Order, ARMS and Parade, REST. The active pallbearers holding the flag above the casket fold the flag into the shape of a cocked hat. The band plays appropriate music as the flag is folded. The flag, when folded, is passed to a pallbearer who faces left at the head of the grave and places the flag at chest level into the hands of the officer in charge or noncommissioned officer in charge. The pallbearer salutes the flag for three seconds and then faces right to assume his original position. The active pallbearers face left or right together and march away from the grave in column of twos. The officer in charge or noncommissioned officer in charge presents the flag to the next of kin or passes it to the military chaplain for presentation. The presenter uses an expression similar to that which has become standard at Army Funerals: "This flag is presented on behalf of a grateful nation, as a token of our appreciation for the honorable and faithful service rendered by your loved one." The band and escort remain in position until the family begins to move away from the grave. The escort commander commands the band and escort to march from the area, at, quick time, with a single drum tap; the other elements conform. At the first halt, the rifles of the firing party are unloaded and inspected….NOW ARGUE WITH THIS….
     
  10. gun1357

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    This might be the ideal way (Army way?) to do it but do you have any idea how many people it would take? We used eighteen when we had "taps with echo". That was if one of the detail knew how to drive a bus. Never did have a band. We did have a "missing man formation" fly-over once. Wishes of the family and available resources are the guiding factors. Ron
     
  11. pj 999

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    Buried my Dad last Tuesday. At the flag ceremony at grave site the only words spoke was when the flag was presented to my Mom. Any one that would want to take this away from a Vet and his family needs to be banned from the United States. The soldiers, including a bugler were top knotch. The ceremony made all of our family proud of my Dad and when the bugler played Taps it was a great final tribute to him. Paul Baker Jr,
     
  12. Hipshot 3

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    Paul......Well said!
     
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    **In the latest attack on Christianity, the U.S. government has banned the flag-folding recitations at all 125 national cemeteries**

    What's the US flag got to do with Christianity? Last I heard, it was the American flag, the flag of all Americans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Native Americans, Hindus, Atheists. So where do Christians get off calling it *their* flag?

    Grammie's right about Christians.
     
  14. Hipshot 3

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    Smokerz..........AMEN! Alot of "Christians" don't understand it when "others" don't want Christian rituals forced on them.....they don't understand because their minds are SHUT DOWN ,and because they don't WANT to understand anyone else's point of view. They claim "others" are trying to take away their rights and rituals, when exactly the opposite is true!
     
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    Paul, I am sorry for the loss of your dad. My family and I appreciate his service to this country in times past or present, whichever the case may be.
     
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    I attended the funeral of a dear friend and WW11 veteran. During the flag folding ceremony, they did recite the meaning of each fold. It was a very touching moment for me, and I grew to appreciate our flag even more, and the men and women who fought to defend it.

    Danny
     
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