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Fish and Game now do traffic stops?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by xringjim, Jan 15, 2011.

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  1. xringjim

    xringjim TS Member

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    Seems that nut case that shot up the people in Az. had been stopped by a Fish and Game officer that morning for running a red light. In this instance the officer WAS dealing with an animal. But isn't it getting a little over the top when Fish and Game is pulling you over on the street? I mean, what's next? Jim
     
  2. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    Possum cops have a wide range of law enforcement authority. Depending on the state, activities unrelated to wildlife, including traffic stops, may be included.
     
  3. likes-to-shoot

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    The Iowa DNR (fish and game to some)as with County Conservation Officers and DOT officers(dept of transportation)are trained law enforcement officers with all the capabilities and authority as any other law enforcement officers.

    Why would them pulling people over for a traffic violation be a problem?? I would think that would be making the roads more safe for the people who really do obey the rules, don't you???? To be honest with you I see no problem with that at all. So if your not a criminal, whats your point??

    Bill
     
  4. TOOLMAKER 251

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    In Pa. years ago and maybe still today, a game warden had more search warrant power then a cop did.
     
  5. FalconSprint

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    And in this case, what if the game warden would have spotted the gun, arrested the nuthead, found all his 30 round mags, maybe other evidence of intent, and none of this would ever have happened. Then the traffic stop would have been a good thing, right?
     
  6. TEXASZEPHYR

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    In Texas, Parks and Wildlife officers (game wardens) have more authority than any other state officers including texas rangers. They can search your car or come into your home without a search warrent on the context that some one thought they saw you take game etc into your home or put it in your vehicle.etc. they are sometimes used to search things when there isn't time to get a warrent before evidence may be destroyed or disposed of, and use that reason so that other evidence may be found (read drugs etc) while searching for that quail that somone supposedly thought that they saw you bring into your house. It is a power that has been abused at times. Also it is not uncommon to see wardens working with ICE officials during off seasons in helping to control our borders,

    Bob
     
  7. Old Cowboy

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    Maybe they're cross deputized?
     
  8. likes-to-shoot

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    Cowboy.....are you saying they are cross dressers? ;) LOL
     
  9. pyrdek

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    Not all judges think unlimited powers to the law enforcement officers of all kinds are reasonable.

    This Border Patrol agent while in uniform used his official vehicle flashing light bar to stop and detain the woman.

    The following article was published in the on-line version of the Erie (PA) Times News. Follow the link for the full story.

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    [Headline] Court dismisses DUI evidence, says Border Patrol overstepped bounds

    The U.S. Border Patrol has the power to stop weapons of mass destruction from entering the country and guard the border from crossings by illegal immigrants.

    That power does not, however, extend to policing Erie streets for drunken drivers, an Erie County judge has ruled.

    Judge John Garhart has thrown out evidence against a woman who was detained by a U.S. Border Patrol agent who observed her swerving her vehicle in traffic at a time when her blood alcohol content was measured at more than three times the legal limit for driving, 0.08 percent.

    Garhart granted a suppression motion by the woman, Corrine Breon, whose lawyer, Stephen Sebald, argued that a U.S. Border Patrol agent improperly detained her before calling Erie police to arrest her.

    Garhart said the agent, identified as "Agent Gregory" in court records, acted reasonably and responsibly and in good faith.

    "He was nearly hit by Miss Breon and was clearly concerned, not only with her welfare, but that of the other citizens of the commonwealth," Garhart said.

    But he said that the agent did not have the authority to conduct the stop either as an agent or as a private citizen.

    Sebald welcomed the ruling.

    "It is the right decision. When law enforcement does not understand the parameters of authority, it just opens up Pandora's box," he said.

    Read the rest of the article Full Article
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    In Oregon, the game wardens are state police officers. They can act just like any other state police officer, but they are assigned to enforcing fish, game and wildlife laws. This does not preclude them from enforcing traffic and other laws if the situation dictates.
     
  11. xringjim

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    Well we all saw what a BART cop in Oakland Ca. did. Too often police in the 'secondary' agencies are unprepared and not trained properly to address situations outside they're general authority. The BART cop said he didn't know the difference between a handgun and a tazer. I rest my case. One final note. If you compare the number of armed soldiers in the middle east, to the population they are involved with, you'd find they are a much less percentage per-capita than the armed police here in the states. Inotherwords, there are more armed people overseeing the population per-capita in the U.S. than a country inwhich we are waring in. Just WHO are we really at war with? In Afghanistan they're called soldiers. In America they're called police. A fact that people NEVER ponder as long as they have a home to go to, a couple good meals aday and a warm place to sleep. Just putting it out there folks. Jim
     
  12. BAD 303

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    Possum cops? Why insult the possums?
     
  13. BILL GRILL

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    In Michigan they have the same training and authority as the state police.
     
  14. BDodd

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    I think you'll find in most states a peace officer is a peace officer.
     
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    Ditto, same in Indiana. During the summer, the DNR rightfully so spends a lot of time looking for drunks driving boats. Yes they will check safety gear and fishing licenses, etc... but the real reason is DUI enforcement.
     
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    Anyone that doesn't think game wardens don't do other types of law enforcement should watch the series Wild Justice on the National Geographic Channel.

    In California they also work with fire departments and others on hazmat incidents that may drain into creeks and rivers.
     
  17. xringjim

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    Well, if the day ever comes that they all start writing tickets for traffic violations you'll feel like you live in a bottle. Jim
     
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    In KY the fish and wildlife officers are sworn police officers. Sad that it has to be that way but the days when an unarmed wildlife officer commanded respect, as was the case when yours truly was being reared up in NC, are long gone.

    Why in the world should anyone have a problem with a sworn police officer, regardless of type, investigating, citing or arresting someone in the event the officer observes a serious violation of law.
     
  19. xringjim

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    dr, that's where you go down a slippery slope. What, in the officers opinion is serious? Certainly no one has a problem with a sworn officer from stepping into a situation that warrants his help. But, why should a regular citizen be limited in HIS ability to help in a simular instance? Which may or may not require the use of a gun? I feel people that wish to conceal carry should be required to finish some training before being issued a permit. No trigger happy applicants need apply imo. Jim
     
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