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Finding Primers and Powder

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Tekyn gold, Apr 3, 2009.

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  1. Tekyn gold

    Tekyn gold TS Member

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    What is up with primers and powder being hard to find??
     
  2. esoxhunter

    esoxhunter Well-Known Member

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    My Wisconsin supplier just got a shipment of Alliant powder in this week. (Promo for $72 for 8#). Primers are still hard to get. Yesterday I bought some STS primers from the Remington Gun Club in Lonoke Arkansas for $150 for 5K. Some claim that people are 'hoarding" because of Hussein. As soon as powder and primers come in, there seems to be a run on them. Ed
     
  3. Savage99Stan

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    Shop where I work is out of everything in primers but a few hundred 209s..people are hoarding them. Saw a guy in a store a few miles south haul the whole store's supply of LR, LP, SP primers to the register ($579 or so worth). We get in a case of 9mm and it is gone in three days or less, same with 7.62x39, 223, 308, and 45acp. Heard that Gander was double our prices or more....our 45Colt was at something like $28 and theirs was $60 plus.

    Hope the fear and paranoia settles down pretty soon so we can enjoy shooting and quit worrying about what will come. (Yeah, I know, three years and something away and I hope that is all of it).

    Farm and Fleet had 9mm and 223 Tuesday at $9 something and $7 something and it was all gone in hours.

    Glad I reload and have a few primers, piles of lead and some powder.
     
  4. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Nope...plentiful here.

    Curt
     
  5. zzt

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    Fortunately, I'm not having any supply problems except for good 22LR. I finally gave up and ordered 5000 on line. I hear all these scare stories and I'm wondering if I should buy 5000 LP primers, just in case.
     
  6. GoldEx

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    Powder does not seem to be to be too big of an issue here in MI. Unique was getting tough to find as well as 700X. Seems any shotgun powder that is also a popular pistol powder are the tough ones. Primers for metallic cartridges are flying off the shelvs faster than the stores can stock them. Problem is that the manufacturers are quick to pick up on that and I would suspect the price of primers to stay high at the retail level for good since many have already proven that they will buy them at that price. One way to look at it is the US dollar is going continue to weaken against foreign currencies since we just keep printing it with nothng to back it up. The Rio's and Cheddites and NobelSports and Fiocchi's that have been the main stay for many a shooter for years are going to take another hefty hike soon. Wolfs cam into the market aT AROUND $85/5000. I can't find them for less than $120 now. Primers and powder have a very long shelf life. If you love the sport and know you are going to use them, buy all you can afford. If they take a 10% or more jump every year, where else are you making that kind of return on your money right now??

    Jeff
     
  7. WesleyB

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    Shotgun componets are easy to find, but Pistol componets and loaded ammo is not that easy to find. Like the above posts, Gander has plenty but at twice the price. Hope they choke on it. Small gun shops get in ammo on occasion but so far they have kept prices to where you can afford to shoot. I am almost afraid to go practice with a pistol because I do not know if i can get ammo to replace what i used. This is just crazy!!!
     
  8. jerryw

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    A friend of mine is at the Tulsa Oklahoma gun show (one of the largest in the nation) this weekend. He sent me a text message a few minutes ago and said .380 ACP ammo was going for $50.00 a box.

    Unreal!!!!!!!
     
  9. StonewallRacing

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    Stocked-up for the next couple months at Recob's today....

    Powder is available, but you might not get the exact size you are looking for, some powders only in 1lb or 8lb not many in 4lb's etc. It's hit or miss, and they have no idea when back-orders are being filled.

    I bought 16lbs of Promo along with 8lbs of Unique and numerous other handgun/pistol powders. I was able to get what I needed.

    Primers are another issue. I did get a brick of WIN 209's, but I would have rather bought about three bricks of Wolfs. (Karen says maybe in May??) They are limiting pistol/rifle primers to 1,000 per sale as folks have come in to buy in lots of 50,000 and were wiping them out.

    To tell how limited the primer supplies are... I was in the store for over an hour and they would bring out two bricks at a time, pull the five boxes out and put them on the shelf. Within 20 minutes they were gone and they would put a few more out..... !!

    Handgun and rifle ammo is almost nonexistent on the shelves. They sell most of it as soon as it comes in.

    Shot, target shotgun ammo and reloading supplies looked OK, but they were sold out of several types of wads (Downrange) that I wanted to try so I just bought the CB-1100 I have been using.

    Anyway, I cannot say enough about the knowledge and friendly customer service at Recob's..... FIRST CLASS!! If you have never dealt with these fine folks before you are missing out.

    NO I DID NOT GET PAID FOR THIS POSTING! LOL!

    SW
     
  10. Pull & Mark

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    Jerry, is that .380 ACP ammo the same as .380 auto??? Are those boxes a 50 count for $50 or 100 counts box's for $50. I'd like to know. Thanks in advance. Break-em all. Jeff
     
  11. skeetjunkie

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    I'm having a problem with the posting about .380 ammo at the Tulsa Gun Show. In all the years I've gone there, I don't think loaded ammo has been allowed to be sold. Bullets, powder, primers, sure but not assembled ammunition.
     
  12. bayrat

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    The main reason they don't sell loaded ammunition at gun shows is that some idiot will have an AD. Too tempting to buy that new gun and load it up BEFORE you leave the show.

    JMHO, of course!

    The Bayrat

    POC, TX
     
  13. ccw1911

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    I was there too and there was lots of ammo for sale, it's all expensive compared to last year and some calibers are worse than others. Didn't see anything priced as bad as the 380 price posted. What I didn't like was so many dealers packing up just after noon.
     
  14. olddrum1

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    I was wondering about the primer issue also. I have several email adresses that I have used over the years and sent one to Remington, Federal and Winchester. Pretty much told the same thing. Production of primers are being directed to live ammo. Told that by two of the three. Also told that production is at maximum capacity. Spoke with Grafs in Mo. and was told that they do not have a primer in the house. probably next year before things get back to normal.
     
  15. GoldEx

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    Atteneded a local gun show in Mason MI yesterday. There were several vendors selling powder and primers there. Nobody had any rifle or pistol left. 209's were plentiful, if you wanted to pay $30/1000 for Fioccis, $35/1000 for Cheddites, $40/1000 for Win or CCI 209's or $50/1000 for Rem STS's. $8 pounders of Promo were $95! Green dot was $120. Amazing. One pounders of Hodgdon and IMR rifle powders were $30 plus. I asked one of the vendors if he was having a good show and his respose was "They're all good shows now".

    Jeff
     
  16. shooterIII

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    Copied from http://www.thehighrode.org

    Why there is no ammo or components. It's not a conspiracy.

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    I posted this in another thread when someone was talking about primers being difficult to locate.

    There is a lot of misinformation out there about government conspiracies to keep us from getting ammo, hoarders driving the price up, companies under pressure to keep production low, whatever.

    The truth is not nearly as exciting. I know a few people in the defense industry, and I'm sure others here on THR do as well.

    Let's see if we can explain this in a way that doesn't require tin foil, though some people do LOVE their tinfoil

    The DoD has a need for 2 billion rounds of ammo a year in 5.56, 7.62, and .50 cal. ATK, the prime contractor, could deliver 1.4 billion a year. ATK let out a contract to a subcontractor, did some expansion etc, and kicked the number up to about 1.6 bil.

    That still left about 400 million rounds short. The DoD then let out some overrun contracts paying (according to several articles I read) 35 cents a round for 5.56. General Dynamics won that in around 2005 if I remember correctly, but only recently began delivering. GD subcontracted a lot of this out to smaller firms.

    35 cents a round is a very high price and it's from a guaranteed customer, Uncle Sam. Smaller ammo and component makers that generally would not have been able to participate in a government job were able to go after this one as suppliers to General Dynamics.

    So, component and ammo makers retooled to make military components and cut way back on their production of other calibers which left little to sell to the civilian market.

    It's not a conspiracy by anyone to keep primers out of people's hands, it's simple cash flow for the ammo companies.

    They have a customer with bottomless pockets wanting to pay absolute top dollar for their product so they are taking advantage of it.

    GD is building their own facility in Florida to open in 2010. In the meantime they are subcontracting like mad, throwing lots of money at the problem.

    Here is the glimmer of hope for us:

    It is possible that after GD finishes it's own production facility in Florida that the smaller companies will be cut back out of the loop.

    If that happens they will be looking for customers in a bad way, and that is us. Hopefully we would see availability skyrocket and price decrease drastically if that happens. So, we'll see in 2010 I guess but until then things are going to be tight.

    From ATK:


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    The Army’s “1-2-3-4 acquisition strategy creates a path to acquiring as much as 2.0 billion rounds of small-caliber ammunition annually. The first 1.2 billion rounds of ammunition each year will come from ATK Lake City, followed by an additional 300 million rounds from a second source. The next 300 million rounds increment each year will again come from ATK Lake City and, if the Army needs an additional 200 million rounds, it will be provided by ATK and/or the second source. “This strategy clearly places a priority on procuring ammunition from ATK, said DeYoung.

    From Defense Industry Daily, an industry magazine:


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    General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems Inc. in St. Petersburg, FL received a $171.2 million firm-fixed-price contract for Establishment of the Small Caliber Ammunition Second Source Prime Contractor for the Production of 5.56mm, 7.62mm, and .50 Caliber Ammunition. Work will be performed in St. Petersburg, FL and is expected to be complete by Aug. 23, 2010. Bids were solicited via the World Wide Web on Jan. 18, 2005, and two bids were received.
     
  17. stokinpls

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    I just got off the phone to my favorite vendor and he said he couldn't get me any powder (Hodgdon US869) and "wasn't able to buy any SHOT last week". he couldn't even get a "ton of eights". This is good news.
     
  18. GoldEx

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    Stokinpls - Tried to send you a PM but you have it disabled.

    Graf and Sons shows they have both 1 and 8 pounders of US 869 available. At least for today.

    https://www.grafs.com/product/230367 Paste this in your browser.

    Jeff
     
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