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figuring your average

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by coho, May 20, 2010.

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  1. coho

    coho Member

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    this might be a stupid question, i'm sure you guys will let me know if it is so here goes. if your average doesn't carry over from year to year then am i assuming correctly that whatever your scores are for the first shoot of the year then thoes are your averages? i shot an 85 in singles, a 69 in handicapp and a 74 in doubles so thoes are my averages for this year so far?
     
  2. tad houston

    tad houston TS Member

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    Yes, but there is still "Known Ability".
     
  3. Rastoff

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    Hmmm, I thought your average did carry over from the previous year.
     
  4. scott calhoun

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    It does not carry over, that's why your average card has your prior 3 years target count and averages printed on it when it arrives at the beginning of the new year.

    Keep your average for the current target year, and the classifier can get information for the prior 3 years from the printed info.
     
  5. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    For the purposes of classification, carry your average over that last 1,000 targets shot in each of the diciplines.

    If you don't do this or can't then expect the handicapper to apply what ever judgement call they find appropriate.
     
  6. scott calhoun

    scott calhoun Well-Known Member

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    Wolfram -

    That is clearly not how the ATA specifies you keep your average.

    The classifier can apply whatever judgement they find appropriate without regard for how you keep your average.

    Scott
     
  7. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

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    For a new year, start from scratch on the average like Scott said. I have shot one singles event this target year. I got a 97. Therefore my singles average so far this year is 97.

    It may be useful to know what your last 1000 target average is, but for the purposes of what to put on your ATA average card, include only targets shot this year.

    You do NOT keep a running average of your handicap scores on your ATA average card.
     
  8. waverider

    waverider Well-Known Member

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    With Pacific Int'l Trapshooting Assn you are suppose to have the average of the last 1,000 targets; that has removed any scores that are 10 below the average.

    All this is a PITA to me. ;)

    Jason
     
  9. ivanhoe

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    This might make it clearer for those that don't seem to understand the process.

    "a. If the shooter has less than 500 targets on current year’s Average Card, use the previous year average and known ability.

    b. If the shooter has between 500 and 1,000 targets (inclusive) on
    his/her current year’s Average Card, use the current average and
    known ability or the previous year’s average and known ability,
    whichever is higher."

    Should help then again one never knows do they. BTW this from the ATA rulebook.

    Bob Lawless
     
  10. sself

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    From the current ATA rule book:

    C. CLASSIFICATION
    1. For 16-yard targets and Doubles, shooters should be placed in three
    (3) or more classes, according to their established average and/or
    known ability. A new shooter may be assigned to any class in 16-yards
    and Doubles events, at the discretion of classification personnel until
    the shooter establishes his/her known ability.
    a. To arrive at known ability the following should be taken into
    consideration as far as such information is or can be made
    available:
    (1) Official registered targets (abnormally low scores should be
    disregarded). Averages of all registered shooters are compiled
    and published annually.
    (2) Non-registered scores including Shoot-off scores, nonregistered
    events, practice scores, etc.
    (3) Any other information bearing on a shooter’s ability to shoot
    and break targets.
    4. If Shoot Management desires to use different classification it may do
    so by printing the modified classification in the program of the shoot.
    5. For better classification of shooters it is suggested that the following
    method be used.
    a. If the shooter has less than 500 targets on current year’s Average
    Card, use the previous year average and known ability.
    b. If the shooter has between 500 and 1,000 targets (inclusive) on
    his/her current year’s Average Card, use the current average and
    known ability or the previous year’s average and known ability,
    whichever is higher.
     
  11. phirel

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    sself- Thanks for presenting the rules in the current ATA rule book. I hope everyone reads and understands the classification suggestions in the book. Pay special attention to the words should (not must) and note these are suggestions. An individual club can use any classification system they want. Also the average for the 2010 target year are only the targets shot during the 2010 target year.

    Pat Ireland
     
  12. SMOKEIT

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    __How are you classified if you have not shot for 4 years but have shot several years before the break in shooting ?
     
  13. Rastoff

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    "If the shooter has less than 500 targets on current year’s Average Card, use the previous year average and known ability. "

    See, to me this means you carry over your average from last year. Everyone starts the new year at zero targets so, they would use your average from last year.
     
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    Pat has it right, they can use what ever they like. Sometimes they like to make up the rules as they go along. HMB
     
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    hmb

    "Sometimes they like to make up the rules as they go along."

    Let us see the rule from the ATA rulebook is,

    "4. If Shoot Management desires to use different classification it may do
    so by printing the modified classification in the program of the shoot."

    If that is the rule from the rulebook how dose your bogus statement fit??? They may be making up the classifications but the rule is clear that practice is allowed. I see that as within the rules. Of course we all understand that you see things your way not the ATA's way.

    Bob Lawless
     
  16. phirel

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    SMOKIT- You would not be difficult to classify. If you show up at the North Carolina State Shoot, the classifier would begin with the penalty classification (B-3yrds added to yardage on your card-B). then you would be asked how you shot 4 years ago and how you are doing in practice. Based on this information, you could be moved up to A in singles/doubles, but never moved lower than B.

    Pat Ireland
     
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