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Federal Seizure of Private Internet Coming?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by jimrich60, Aug 28, 2009.

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  1. jimrich60

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    Senator Rockefeller has drafted and introduced a bill to permit Obama to seize total control of the internet and disconnect all private sector computers (Senate Bill 773) by simply declaring a "cybersecurity Emergency". The bill would, in effect, give the administration total control over private use of, and access to the internet. Further, the bill would establish a federal certification program and "require that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by (only) people who have been awarded that license".

    Obama and his communications czar obviously admire Hugo Chavez's success in total communications censorship and government control, so much that Obama's cronies in the Senate are now trying out the same tactics here.

    Jim R
     
  2. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Easier to take over the government (country) if the people cannot communicate with each other. This guy(O) is a mad man. I do wish something bad and terminal happens to him. Fatal heart attack, stroke, etc. Bulge.
     
  3. TOOLMAKER 251

    TOOLMAKER 251 Active Member

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    There is nothing wrong with a fast growing painful cancer either. It would be fitting of any person who would try to control the news media. Sounds like 1776 again, but they would have to round up all the muskets first.
     
  4. Heckyea

    Heckyea TS Member

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    I agree .
     
  5. slic lee

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    Hes also working on reinstating the "fairness doctrine".
    He wants Rush, Beck and Hanity gone forever.
    Maybe his wish should happen to him and all of his associates male and female.
     
  6. highflyer

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    I like to think if he made a move on talk radio or the internet the people would rise up against him but I have lost faith in the American people. He spends our money like he is insane and nothing is done. They lose track of trillions of dollars because they are spending money so fast.
     
  7. Clayshooter08

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    " REMOVE THE "obama" STICKER OFF OF YOUR SUBARU WHEN THE REVOLUTION STARTS"
    I saw this on a car the other day and thought it fit this....
     
  8. Carol Lister

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    Someone is being very liberal and selective with their interpretation of text:

    <blockquote>

    4/1/2009--Introduced.

    Cybersecurity Act of 2009 - Directs the President to establish or designate a Cybersecurity Advisory Panel to advise the President.

    -Defines "cyber" as: (1) any process, program, or protocol relating to the use of the Internet or an intranet, automatic data processing or transmission, or telecommunication via the Internet or an intranet; and (2) any matter relating to, or involving the use of, computers or computer networks.

    -Directs the Secretary of Commerce to: (1) develop and implement a system to provide cybersecurity status and vulnerability information regarding all federal information systems and networks managed by the Department of Commerce; and (2) provide financial assistance for the creation and support of Regional Cybersecurity Centers for small and medium sized U.S. businesses.

    -Requires the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) to establish cybersecurity standards for all federal government, government contractor, or grantee critical infrastructure information systems and networks.

    -Makes NIST responsible for U.S. representation in all international cybersecurity standards development.

    -Directs the Secretary to develop or coordinate a national licensing, certification, and recertification program for cybersecurity professionals and makes it unlawful to provide certain cybersecurity services without being licensed and certified.

    -Requires Advisory Panel approval for renewal or modification of a contract related to the operation of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority.
    Requires development of a strategy to implement a secure domain name addressing system.

    -Requires the National Science Foundation (NSF) to support specified types of research and to establish a program of grants to higher education institutions to establish cybersecurity testbeds.

    -Amends the Cybersecurity Research and Development Act to expand the purposes of an existing program of computer and network security research grants.

    -Requires the NSF to establish a Federal Cyber Scholarship-for-Service program.

    -Requires NIST to establish cybersecurity competitions and challenges to recruit talented individuals for the federal information technology workforce and stimulate innovation.

    -Requires the Department of Commerce to serve as the clearinghouse of cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information. Grants the Secretary access to all relevant data concerning such networks notwithstanding any law or policy restricting access.

    -Directs the President to: (1) develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy; (2) on a quadrennial basis, complete a review of the cyber posture of the United States; and (3) work with representatives of foreign governments to develop norms, organizations, and other cooperative activities for international engagement to improve cybersecurity.

    -Requires the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Commerce to submit to Congress an annual report on cybersecurity threats to and vulnerabilities of critical national information, communication, and data network infrastructure.

    -Establishes a Secure Products and Services Acquisitions Board to review and approve high value products and services acquisition and establish validation standards for software to be acquired by the federal government.</blockquote>

    The full text of the proposal:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-773

    Carol Lister
     
  9. jimrich60

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    Yes, someone is being very selective.For example, I note nothing on Section 18 is mentioned above. That, by the way, is the section which authorizes the government to shutdown, disconnect, or otherwise control the internet in the event of a self declared "cybernetsecurity emergency". That little detail seems to have been conveniently overlooked. Further, the referenced bill (S-773) as outlined and on the web that you see here is not the current version. The proposed bill has been re-written by Rockefeller and re-introduced recently, and the new version is not yet posted.

    Jim R
     
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    Hauxfan!
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    It's not just the First Amendment that's threatened by this.<br>
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    Imagine the havoc this would wreak upon the economy. A huge amount of business is conducted via the Internet. And that's not just Internet sales, but bank transfers, billing, data transfer, and so on. Even the media would be effected. They're moving from satellite and newsprint to Internet.<br>
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    The party that puts this into action will probably find themselves out in the cold come the next election. If they don't suspend the elections first.
     
  12. BT-100dc

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    Isn't China doing the same thing? This must be opposed as it will be the base for censureship and loss of personal freedom. I believe a Republican from Maine also supports this bill; need to vote her out just like the beloved Senator from West Virginia. Right now there are multiple attacks on your freedoms and I don't believe that's a coincidence but a plan to get government in the forefront of your life. Backoff!!!!! BT-100dc
     
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    Hey guys, this is for your own protection. Listening in on calls from terrorists was an infringement on your privacy but this is different. Your government is just want to keep you safe.

    Of course, the question is who will keep us safe from our government? AND 2012 is still 3 1/2 years away. God save us because he is the only one who can.
     
  14. jimrich60

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    "Of course, the question is who will keep us safe from our government? AND 2012 is still 3 1/2 years away. God save us because he is the only one who can. "

    No, God helps those who help themselves. The Founding Fathers gave the people the tools needed to control the government (it's called the Constitution). They understood that all governments tend to become bigger, and tend toward tyranny. It is the nature of things. So they wrote restrictions, and gave the final voice to the people. It is up to the people to "save hemselves"from government. That is called voting. Read, listen, go to tea parties, town hall meetings, learn what is beening done (or not being done), and then get up off the couch and go vote. Make your voices heard. The tools and means to keep America a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" are still there-but we have to use them. Half the voting population sitting home and complaining, or just indifferent, is the real problem. As for Congress, while most people seem to dislike them in the aggregrate, many (perhaps most) always seem to find some excuse for "their" representative. Thus year after year we see the same old corruption, malfeasance, and power hungry politicians still in office. If you really want to send a "message", we need to vote them all out, including your own representatives, no matter what pork he/she brings you. Do that once or twice, and the new ones will start listening.

    Jim R
     
  15. Paladin

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    Flincher100,,,your silence is deafening. Where is your outrage with this trampling of cival rights?? Where is it??


    How do you like them now??
     
  16. grunt

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    I think that some of the Obama lovers that are on TS are plants/trolls that surf the internet looking for folks like us that dont support this BS. So they stir the pot.
     
  17. no5shooter

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    We should probably look at the entire clause if we're going to get our knickers in a twist over Section 18:

    2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;

    It doesn't say "shut down the internet," it says "Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network." That's not the same thing. Internet traffic is the information moving on the internet; the President or his deputy might order internet traffic moving to or from Federal computer systems be limited or shut down, but that's not the same as shutting down the internet so we can't post on TS.COM or send notes to our wives and girl friends (may they never meet) or pay our bills or Mapquest a trip route.

    That's the way I read this anyway, and nope I'm neither a liberal nor an ostrich, I'm as hidebound a conservative as you're likely to find. I just like to know when I'm getting smoke blown up my skirt.

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  18. jimrich60

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    If you are going to claim to "look at the entire clause", then you should look at it in its entirety. I think some should re-read that sub-section (2) which says

    (2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government OR UNITED STATES CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFORMATION SYSTEM OR NETWORK;

    And further, in sub-section 6:


    (6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government OR UNITED STATES CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFORMATION SYSTEMS OR NETWORKS in the interest of national security;

    The key is the words capitalized (by me). The critical infrastructure includes whatever the feds decide is critical, including all private or civilian servers, systems, etc. It does not only let government systems be shut down or disconnected, but any and all systems that the fed would decide to. It is an all encompassing regulation which allows the government to decide what is critical and what to do about it. It goes far beyond disconnecting government computers, and yes it could well encompass "shutting down the internet" including such things as TS.COM or your personal email if they push the technology to the limits.

    Apparently, even some self-proclaimed conservatives would rather remain blind to the dangers of government interference and over regulation.

    Jim R
     
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