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Federal primers vs Winchester 209

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by StansCustoms, Feb 7, 2013.

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  1. StansCustoms

    StansCustoms Well-Known Member

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    I'm having to wait on my supplier to get Winchester primers... but he has plenty of Federal primers.

    Are the Federals OK, and will they interchange without messing up my reload hulls when I/if I get more Winchester 209's..

    ...and will I have to change my reloading recipes to use the Federals, since all my mecs are set up with Win 209 formulas.

    Also....Any other information that I might need to know about Federal vs Winchester primers would really be appreciated..

    Thanks and best regards...Stan
     
  2. southjblue

    southjblue Active Member

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    From the old school,all I ever use for all my trap loads---Rem---FED---AA is loaded with Fed 209A primers---They work for me in all----George@SJB
     
  3. Jawhawker

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    Depends on your specific load as to wether you will need to change powder drop. They will most likely raise pressures (not always however) and possibly velocity (not always however). They are the hottest primer on the market if they are 209A's.
     
  4. Ross

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    Probably depends on the chamber pressure of your current data, Fed. 209A usually generate higher pressures, and so less powder. Ross Puls
     
  5. Nebs

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    Drop your powder charge .5 gr when going from Win primer to Fed primer. The Fed primer is hotter than the Win primer.
     
  6. emmylou1

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    Nebs said it perfect .............
     
  7. Frank C

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    Anybody note that Feds stick out a bit on the bottom of the hull and slowly work on the face of the receiver? I stopped using them
     
  8. southjblue

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    My Mec and Dillon loaders seat the fed primer perfect---Never saw any defacing but I'll pay more attention----Something to look at--I only use brass hulls--
    I think steel based hulls would do more damage than the primer.

    --Thanks----George
     
  9. Greg LV

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    Read the warnings in your reloading manuals Lyman and RCBS both have them in the primer section.
     
  10. illtrap1

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    I chronographed Fed. Win. Rio's through my Ohler Chrono shot all with same tube wad just diffenent primer shot 5 shells each Rio's and Fed were closest Win. varied more like 35 ft sec all using Clays international powder.Dan Rio's are cheaper but 1000ths oversized I have 20,000 of them on hand once you use them keep using them in same hull,Looking to buy Fed.209 primers to replace Rio's,Just like staying with factory specs. Anybody know if New AA primers are different than the ones they sell to reload with,Dan
     
  11. southjblue

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    I use both Rem and Fed 209A---Mostly Feds since I try to only use the Rems in Rem hulls but I can't tell any difference in results or felt recoil---I do stay with recommended Alliant guide with Red Dot powder---I also use the Feds more because they're cheaper---I am now running out of Feds and hope I can get more with nxt club shipment----George
     
  12. bkt514

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    Nebs said it correctly.....same message I got from Alliant Powder. There was an article in TrapShooting USA not long ago, that was dedicated to Primer Analysis. You could do a search or call them for the date of that article. Well worth reading it two or three times, if you like technical data.
     
  13. oz

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    you are lucky to get any primers. there are some shotgun primers available but NO rifle or pistol primers.
     
  14. southjblue

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    Primers won't be the only problem,---If they ever get through serializing casings were all done reloading---Better stay tuned to the NRA---That's all we have----Like one of them said----It's time to start drying this stuff up---
    Drip by drip---George@SJB
     
  15. Trap2

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    FrankC......... I've shot literally thousands of Federal primers in all different hulls and different guns and have never had that problem.... I would have to call you out on that one. It ain't the primers or we would all quit using them... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  16. southjblue

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    Right on Trap2---I'v also used 1000s in my 2 K-guns and never saw that problem but as I said above----I like to stay with brass base hulls like the AAs---Rem sts and Gold Medals----George
     
  17. hmb

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    Buy them all. Corner the market. You can be the primer czar. HMB
     
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  19. mobear

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    Check your powder manufacturer's web site for the load data using federal primers with your powder choice. Don't just guess that 1/2 grain change is good.
     
  20. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Gary W. has the correct formula guys. Follow the reloading guides to help prevent the no-nos.

    Sometimes with shot shell loads, just changing to the Federal 209A primer will reduce chamber pressure when all else remains the same!!(Direct from Ben A. @ Alliant powders!)

    Powder and some wad companies have tested their listed loads with the proper equipment, your shot gun isn't the best tool for testing home made reloads. ALWAYS use an accurate scale to weigh powders and shot loads to be sure instead of relying on others advice.

    Hap
     
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