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Federal Papers - Load needed using Win 209's

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  1. 2@low8

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    Federal Papers - Load needed using Win 209

    I am searching for a new load for Federal Papers using a Win 209 primer. I have looked at both the Alliant's site and Hogdon's site and 95% of all the loadings are calling for Federal or CCI primers. I would like to load a 1oz shell, don't know what wad I would use, but I am definately up for suggestions. I would like to use either Red Dot or American Select because I have plenty of these two poweders laying around but if there is a better powder to use in these shells I would be very interested in it.

    Thanks in advance,
    Ian
     
  2. RunGunIPSC

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    The best,lightest shooting 1 oz load is 20 PB,S-3 wad,Fed 209 or 209A primer. You can sub a CCI 209M(Magnum.) I used to get thousands of these once fired back in the mid 80's for 1 cent ea. You almost have to use a Fed primer because of the large case volume. Always use a Fed S-3 to get the best crimp for 1 oz & a S-4 for 1 1/8 oz load. I only worked with PB here so cannot recommend any other powder. Have heard Red Dot works very well. Try reducing charge by a grain to 1 & 1/2 grains from what the book calls for.
     
  3. Unknown1

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    There are 2 formulas in Lyman 5 on page 130 for 1 oz loads in Federal papers with fold crimps:

    <UL><LI>20 grn Red Dot powder<li>WAA12SL wad<LI>Win 209 primer<LI>vel=1271 fps, pressure=8400 psi</ul>

    and...

    <UL><LI>22 grn WST powder<LI>WAA12SL wad<LI>Win 209 primer<LI> vel=1258 fps, pressure=7500 psi</UL>

    There's also one formula using a Remington primer and several using Federal primers. There are 6 formulas for 1 1/8 oz loads using Win 209 primers.

    MK
     
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    I have seen the red dot load in the lyman book, and I have tried it before, wasn't a bad load. I am just trying to see if there is any other loadings out there that you guys have tried before using the wins. If I need to I can get federal primers but not many places around here carry them. I was thinking about using the DRS3 wad from downrange. I have had great luck with downrange wads in my 3/4 oz loads for AA's and STS's. Why is the federal primer used more than the rest for these shells.

    Thanks,
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  5. superxjeff

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    Ian, If yop ever use 1 1/8 loads 19 grains of American selct with the CB "Red 8" we call it. It is what they call for as a replacemnt wad for the 12c1. This is a wicked handicap load. As far as an ounce goes, You can see from the data that they require heavy charges with 1 ounce. Still.. I load 18 grains with a 12so and a winchester 209. soft and hammers targets. Jeff
     
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    This is what I do, but you do what you want. I just use the WW-209 instead of the Federal. I may loose a fps, but not many. And so what? Those are all low pressure loads and the WW-209 is considered a milder primer than the Fed-209A.
     
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    1 3/8 copper 6's,32 grains of 4756, red AA wad, Win 209 primer. Good Annie load in a paper Federal hull.
     
  8. Unknown1

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    <blockquote>"...Why is the federal primer used more than the rest for these shells..."</blockquote>Well, for one thing, it's a Federal hull. For the other, as RunGun said, it's a big cave of an interior that needs a good kick to get all the powder lit quickly and consistently.

    You'll lose more than just a few fps by sticking a "cooler" primer in data that wants a Federal: you'll get inconsistent burns and unpredictable velocities. That's why PUBLISHED AND TESTED data for Win primers is scarce. There are probably a few more experimental and I-mixed-up-this-load-and-didn't-blow-my-face-off formulas that have yet to be posted. They'll probably be safe; they just won't perform consistently.

    MK
     
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    I don't think Red Dot powder will get upset if you use a Win primer instead of a Fed primer. HMB
     
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    700X is a great powder with these componets
     
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    <blockquote>"I don't think Red Dot powder will get upset if you use a Win primer instead of a Fed primer."</blockquote>Well, I think that's a safe bet... the Lyman 5 data above pairs Red Dot with a Win primer!

    MK
     
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    Thanks guys for your input. I am going to try a couple of different loads with both red dot and select that some of you have mentioned and see how the run. Once again thanks for the replies.

    Ian
     
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    I've probably reloaded 10-20,000 Federal papers and I have used every primer availaable save Nobel Sport and the larger diameter Italian ones.

    The kind of primer really is insignificant.

    WW
     
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