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Federal Paper Load

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by MGeslock, Jan 20, 2008.

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  1. MGeslock

    MGeslock TS Member

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    I was going to use this recipe from the 2004 Reloaders' Guide.


    1 oz
    Fed. 209 A primer
    Fed.12SO
    Red Dot 20.5.



    I had a problem with the primers falling out. They were once fired hulls that were given to me. As I inspected the hulls, most appeared to have the Nobel Sport primers in them. I confirmed this with a caliper.



    Do you have a recipe that I can substitute the Fed Primers with the Nobel Sport primers? I hate to throw away 3,000 paper hulls.



    I am looking to make a 1 oz load.




    I would like to use RED DOT.
     
  2. hmb

    hmb Well-Known Member

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    The Fed 209A is the hotest primer. I don't think you will have a problem swapping primers. To be on the safe side you can drop the powder charge 1 grain. HMB
     
  3. Shooting Coach

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    You will be fine with 20 gr Red Dot with any primer. The load you listed is fabulous in the Fed paper. This load will turn a solid into a vapor. ;^)
     
  4. halfmile

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    I had that problem years ago with some empties I got from Litchfield.

    I found that a loaded .243 round makes an excellent guage for checking primer pocket size.

    If it goes in up to the brass it's the large primer.

    HM
     
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    Some of these hulls have loose primer pockets even when once fired. Makes me like the oversized primers.
     
  6. MGeslock

    MGeslock TS Member

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    Coach,

    Any published data using Winchester primers?
     
  7. MGeslock

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    Mark, come get some nobel's from me. Jeff
     
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    What bigbore613 said.

    It seems the American Primer makers have a death wish. The primers are higher than a cat's back, and are having misfires and quality issues. And on top of all that, they are so small that many hulls are not compatible.

    Give me Nobels and Rios. They fit EVERYTHING!
     
  10. Beretta687EELL

    Beretta687EELL Well-Known Member

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    I use the Winchester primers in a Federal paper hull with no problems. Since the Winchester primers are not as hot as the Federal, you get a little less pressure and velocity. Bill Malcolm
     
  11. Ahab

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    Why not buy yourslf a sleeve of Noble primers and properly load thos paper hulls...they should be good for at least 2 reloadings.
     
  12. MGeslock

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    I have 15K of the Nobel Sport primers.

    I know that you can sub NS for Winchester.

    I am looking for a published load that calls for Winchester Primers.

    I'll use that, and sub NS for Win 209.

    (Thanks Bigbore)
     
  13. MGeslock

    MGeslock TS Member

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    Here is the answer...

    If you would like to sub the Nobel Sport primer for the Fed 209A, then
    it will certainly be safe to make a direct substitution with no
    adjustment to powder charge. Thanks for your return note and have a
    nice day.

    Ben Amonette
    Consumer Service Manager
    Alliant Powder Company
     
  14. THE POSTMAN

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    I have the 5th edition of the LYMAN SHOTSHELL RELOADING HANDBOOK and it lists

    the following load using RED DOT,WIN209,FED PAPERS,1 oz.


    RED DOT- 20GRS,Win 209,Win WAA12SL,1271FPS,8400PSI. Hope this helps.


    Wilbur Poston
     
  15. AveragEd

    AveragEd Well-Known Member

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    I was going to state that I bought many flats of new Federal papers and reloaded them two and three times with Federal primers and never had as much as one loose primer pocket. But as I was thinking that, it struck me that once-fired Federal hulls would have Federal primers in them. Are you sure those are Nobel Sport primers? Or that the hulls really are once-fired?

    Ed
     
  16. bigbore613

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    The Hulls Mark is talking about are a whole bunch I gave him and some were once fired and a bunch had been loaded with Nobel's. So Nobel's have to go back in them. Easy to tell from the color of the primers. Jeff
     
  17. IM390

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    You can do 18.5 gr Red Dot with a 12C-1 using a CCI-M. CCI-M are also oversized and are rated at 1290 fps with this recipe. Otherwise you can actually go to 21 gr of Red Dot in a 1 1/8 at 1255 fps. And if you don't like those loads, I guess you just have to send all the hulls to me. lol
     
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