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federal"CHAMPION" wads info needed

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  1. poacherjoe

    poacherjoe Well-Known Member

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    I was recently given several bags of federal "champion" pellet protector wads,They are in good shape and the writing on the bag states 7/8 size,12 gauge,for 1 1/8 oz loads. I found a picture in another manual and they appear to be the 12C1 wad which shows it being used in the paper hull.Does anyone out there have load data for these using STS or AA or gold medal hulls and W209 primers.I have all kinds of powder??Thanks Joe
     
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    Do these wads have a separate base, probably maroon? If so they are probably the wads that were produced for loading in the Champion II hull (mid to late 70's?). If so, I used them in the AAs of the era. I guess they would probably also work in the current STS.

    There were two versions of this wad. One for the Champion II (plastic hull) and one for the paper Champion hull. You know, the straight-walled/tapered wall hull thing. I don't remember how they indicated which wad went to which hull. Maybe the wads for the paper Champion hull had a white base wad???
     
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    Yes they do have a separate base wad which is maroon and the instruction pamplet in the bag calls for federal Monark and Champion paper tubes or equivalent.I just want to know for sure without experimenting that I can use them with the above mentioned components.Someone out there probably still uses them or has info regarding them. Thanks for the replies. PJ
     
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    Then is seems you have the ones for the Federal Champion paper hulls. They should work great in the Top Guns, or any straight-walled case.

    Your call one whether to use them in tapered hulls. Some here will tell you they have done that with no problem. Other will say that is a serious foul.
     
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    Mr Skeet has it just backwards. The Federal two piece waad with the maroon base was for the paper hull. The wad for the champion 11 hull had a black base and was smaller in diameter than the maroon wad. Your wads should have C1 on the bag. The maroon base wad was the same as in the shell when loaded new. Back some years ago Federal callED the hulls CHAMPION and MONARCH. About the same paper hull now called something else. Be careful who you listen to. Fred
     
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    I happen to have an Alliant reloaders guide infront of me and it still lists loads for your wad in AA's.
     
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    Ditto on Freds post, The maroon base was for the PAPER case. Used to buy them by the case. All we shot was Fed papers. In 1979 the loaded shells were $80-$85 a case.

    BTW, they made them with a red base also.

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    Thanks Pheasantmaster;That data makes it easy to use those wads up.Thanks for all the replies!The bags that I have do not have the 12C1 on them,They are probably 40 years old,back then paper was very popular.PJ
     
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    When Federal stopped making the 12C1 it was the end of an era.

    Shells loaded with those wads and a hefty charge of Red Dot made the best handicap load you coud get.

    If I could find some I would use up the rest of my Federal Papers.

    HM
     
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    I could have it backwards. But I used plenty of those maroon based wads in AA hulls. But then we didn't have the inter-net then. Life was simple.
     
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    40 years, back then?....JEEEEEEEEZZZ, it doesn't feel like THAT long ago. LOL

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