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Fast & Furious:*It's Bush's fault.like everything

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Barrelbulge(Fl), Oct 15, 2011.

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  1. Barrelbulge(Fl)

    Barrelbulge(Fl) Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    Read the whole story above. This administration is really pathetic.

    .....U.S. slideshows.
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    16 photos - 18 hrs ago...See latest photos ยป....WASHINGTON (AP) โ€” A second Bush administration gun-trafficking investigation has surfaced using the same controversial tactic for which congressional Republicans have been criticizing the Obama administration.

    The tactic, called "gun walking," is already under investigation by the Justice Department's inspector general and by congressional Republicans, who have criticized the administration of Democratic President Barack Obama for letting it happen in an operation called "Fast and Furious".

    Emails obtained by The Associated Press show how in a 2007 investigation in Phoenix, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives โ€” depending on Mexican authorities to follow up โ€” let guns "walk" across the border in an effort to identify higher-ups in gun networks. Justice Department policy has long required that illicit arms shipments be intercepted whenever possible.

    The 2007 probe operated out of the same ATF office that more recently ran the flawed Operation
     
  2. TinMan88

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    Oh PLEEEEZ! 'R' or'D'- No Difference. STOP IT ALREADY !! They're ALL up to their neck in it.

    If he is (not) guilty (as being insinuated) I would be grateful that the process worked. That being said, I am doubtful that Bush (or most importantly those surrounding him) are outside of the loop about drugs guns & money flowing across the border. Bush is good buddys with Vincente Fox. Bush's dad was head of the CIA prior/during Iran-Contra, a notorius drug op gone wrong. (don't forget Silvarado Savings in the bush family dossier. The roadmap for todays financial monster.)

    Time will tell if my hunch is correct.

    PS- O'Bonzo (& Hillary & Holder ad nauseum) is already TOAST about doing it. If only people will get behind the effort to pry this oyster open.
     
  3. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Someone I know is indirectly involved in this operation under Bush's cabinet He informed me that the 2007 gun running operation was a joint plan between the US and Mexican govt. The guns that were allowed to walk back then were chipped for location and tracking movement. The fast& furious operation was a gun give away and once it left the shop only the bad guy knows where it's going.
     
  4. halfmile

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    Toolmaker, correct. The Bush plan arms were shadowed like a fly following a turd.

    Obama figured he could have outrage about the "easy to get" firearms make a nice excuse for more gun laws and further erosion of the 2nd amendment.

    I hop Congress has teeth enough to prosecute on this one.

    HM
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

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    Some HUGE differences in the two operations...

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    Under Bush, only a limited number of firearms were involved - 200, of which about a dozen actually made it across the border.

    Under Obama, over 2000 guns were involved, of which staggering numbers made it across the border.

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    Under Bush, the Mexican authorities were fully aware and fully involved.

    Under Obama, the Mexican authorities were kept in the dark.

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    Under Bush, as far as we know, no one was murdered with any of these guns.

    Under Obama, two US agents were murdered, and as many as 200 Mexicans.

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    Under Bush, it's obvious there is a trail of who is responsible for the operation.

    Under Obama, no one in any position of authority in any federal agency knows anything about it.

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    Under Bush, this was being done to find and prosecute criminals.

    Under Obama, this was being done to persecute law-abiding gun dealers and gun owners by providing highly tainted data for support of new gun bans.

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  6. Brian in Oregon

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    Also, compare Fast and Furious to Global Warming...

    Both have the goal of enacting onerous legislation through application of fake data.
     
  7. wireguy

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    This administration is displaying the true revelation of criminal behavior. It believes, without evidence, that it is smarter than everyone else around it, it fails to learn from it's failures, when it gets caught it believes the prosecuting party simply got lucky, and it actually displays a great deal of stupid in the way it believes it is going to get away with it's machinations. I think we will see the "best criminal buddies" ratting each other out thing soon.
     
  8. TinMan88

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    Well said wireguy. I can only wonder what shall be the outcome when the Sherrif of Nottingham (Justice dept.& Holder) is in on the gig. No jail for the wicked?

    The actual value of the guns is chump change when drug profits are shloshing around. Mena never ended.
     
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    The sooner everyone realizes that Democrat vs. Republican is nothing more than a way to divide the American people the better off we will all be. Gun running, allowing drugs to be shipped into this country etc. has been happening for a long time regardless of which party was in the white house.
     
  11. TOOLMAKER 251

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    JDNY65, except fast & furious has nothing to do with drugs or any political party. It was a criminal plot to attack the 2nd amendment.
     
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    Toolmaker,
    Fast & Furious has alot to do with drugs. The fact that it was also being used to attack the 2nd amendment is just a "bonus" for this administration. We ship them the guns and they ship us the drugs. Do a little digging. You will see that walking guns and drugs always go hand in hand. Fast & Furious is just one example of it.

    I just pray that Issa doesn't give up on bringing Holder to justice for his role in all of this.
     
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    This article will shed some light on the truth behind Fast & Furious

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/11/was-cia-behind-operation-fast-and-furious/
     
  14. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    May be easier.
     
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    The federal govt isnt smart enough to coordinate such a plot! Lee
     
  16. TinMan88

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    Mena never ended.
     
  17. Brian in Oregon

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    Funny how when Dems get caught in a scandal someone always pips up to proclaim there is no difference betweem Dems and Repubs.
     
  18. TinMan88

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    Crime has no party affiliation. If you read my posts- I emphasize that. In the Mena Arkansas affair THEY emphasized that! A Bush was president And the Clintons (YUK) were corrupting the Statehouse. Guns go south exchanging for drug products/profits coming north.

    JDNY65, excellent article! Thanks Barrelbulge for the link.
     
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