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Fast & Furious 2 ???

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by pyrdek, Oct 2, 2012.

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  1. pyrdek

    pyrdek Well-Known Member

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    Did Holder & Co. screw up of Fast & Furious cost another border agent his life???, Oh that's right, Holder didn't know anything about it and even had O(don't blame me)bama use executive Privilege to block efforts that would have shown that Holder didn't know anything about it (if indeed he did not know ;-( Yea, Right !!!!


    BREAKING: Border Agent Killed in Ariz.
    By Jacques Billeaud/The Associated Press on Tue, Oct 2, 2012
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    POSTED AT: 8:08 am

    PHOENIX (AP) — A U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed and another wounded in a shooting early today in Arizona near the U.S.-Mexico line, according to the Border Patrol.

    The agents were shot while patrolling on horseback in Naco, Ariz., at about 1:50 a.m. MST today, the Border Patrol said in a statement.

    The agents who were shot were on patrol with a third agent, who was not harmed, according to George McCubbin, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing about 17,000 border patrol agents.

    McCubbin said he had no further information regarding the shooting.

    The wounded agent was airlifted to a hospital after being shot in the ankle and buttocks, the Border Patrol said. He is in surgery and expected to recover, McCubbin said.

    Authorities have not identified the agents who were assigned to the Naco station, about 100 miles southeast of Tucson.

    The last U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot on duty was Brian Terry, who was killed in a shootout with Mexican bandits near the border in December 2010. The shooting was later linked to the Fast and Furious gun smuggling operation.

    The border patrol station in Naco was recently named after Terry.

    The FBI and Cochise County Sheriff’s Office, which are investigating the shooting, did not immediately return calls this morning.
     
  2. Catpower

    Catpower Molon Labe TS Supporters

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    That is too bad, hate to hear it, they need to hang Obozo and his crew out to dry, friggin a holes
     
  3. mcneeley5

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    The shooting was not in Naco but near Highway 80 and Double Adobe Road 15 miles from Naco about 5 miles north of the line, about 3 miles from my home.
     
  4. wireguy

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    Congressman Try Gowdy explains executive privilege nonsense concerning Fast and Furious:

    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/27/why-the-white-house-cant-invoke-executive-privilege-on-fast-furious/
     
  5. John Galt

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    Was the agent killed with a "fast and furious" gun?
     
  6. gdbabin

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    "McCubbin said he had no further information regarding the shooting."
     
  7. RWT

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    john galt,

    If he was it, the truth will not be told in our lifetime.

    Robert
     
  8. halfmile

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    Did you know there were other gun walking programs too? the whole truth wil probably never be known except by the slime that made it happen.

    HM
     
  9. Stl Flyn

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    I guess your hopes have failed. This is very unfortunate.
     
  10. pyrdek

    pyrdek Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is unfortunate that such poor training or failure to identify your target properly resulted in a fatality and a wounding. From what was reported, it appears that the agent who died fired the first shot. If he had not, perhaps he would still be alive and the wounded agent would not have been wounded.

    What did not appear to be stated in the article was if the two agents who returned fire had their guns drawn (presume handguns) or rifles tracking the dead agent (or close to his area) before he fired the first shot. The article only said "apparently" so it is a best guess what actually happened.
    "Rothrock said that when the agents spotted each other in the dark, "they apparently took defensive postures, which was probably interpreted as aggressive postures. Like readying your weapons, for example."

    Perhaps some type of better communication or encrypted tracking device to allow agents to get better information of where other agents are located could have also helped prevent this tragedy. In videos from Afghanistan it appears that our armed forces have available sensors to spot other friendlies on the ground in the area. Maybe the Border Patrol should look into similar technology, or even encrypted radio transmissions might have helped.
     
  11. halfmile

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    This took too long to come out. I am still skeptical about this version of the story.

    HM
     
  12. wireguy

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    This story sound suspicious to me also but it's possible. If this is indeed what happened it reflects very poor training.
     
  13. Stl Flyn

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  14. likes-to-shoot

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    Goes to show you what Mexico's law enforcement is like....They reported they had two of the suspects in custody.

    too bad these things happen.
     
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