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Farmers beware.

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  1. b12

    b12 Active Member

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    While everybody was listening about the stupid spending of the GSA the Obastard was pulling another executive order to takeover command of the oceans surronding the US. Which the regime had been wanting to find away to control all the farmland in the U.S. How you say. Well if you are putting anything on the ground such as fertilizers or other chemicals. Then it can wash down to the small streams to the large rivers such as the Missouri or Mississippi then on to the oceans. This means you dumbasses are poluting the Oceans. Now they need to have this stopped. So if you can't pay the heavy fines then the land will have to be broken up intol small plots and sell it to the lazy bastards that have nothing. That way all can raise their own food without the care of the Govt. The Govt will be saving a lot of money. The big farmers that are deep indebt won't need the big equipment makers like John Deer, Case and others. No need for it.

    Im just telling you beware this is their AGENDA. You can blow it off or make light of the information but they want control of the land. In fact the fed. just took over several thousands of acers of fed forest which as we speak they are tearing the gravel roads up. Supposedly not to keep you out but to make it difficult for the owner (Taxpayer) to use. Wild Bill
  2. southjblue

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    How about the fertilizer from all the homeowners lawns?Where do you think that run off goes----All that fertilizer makes a pimple compared to farm use---How about all the oil spill from autos at the malls and highways---Where do you think that run off goes----Farmers beware----Food cost will be going up soon.I am a farmer and we pay min wage plus----Other countries pay .30 cents an hr.They still can use DDT----Think twice the nxt time you eat the nice looking fruit from Mex or wherever---Farm land is going fast---Not much left that the govt will try to get controll----Appreciate our country and love the farmers.We can't get americans to harvest anymore----Our forefarthers would work sun-up to sun-down and never complain---Kids today laugh if asked to work on a farm---Wonder why we need others from other lands----No one in this country will work like the old days----Farmers BE-WARE---George@SJB
  3. Setterman

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    Wait till the farm bill gets a hatchet job.
  4. b12

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    Fellows it is a crying shame the way the system has minipulated the farmers.Along with many of the industries that supply the heart of our existance and survival. But control of the people is what it is all about. It is not so much the money anymore. The people in power now can make any laws the want and the general populas will heed to any will they want. People talk tough but with out banding together the country will be doomed. I feel the time is comming with very serious activites are about to take place in this country. Many have thought things would not happen. But now they are sure they will unless our lawmakers begin to stand up to this bunch of hoodlums. And that is all they are a bunch of half ass eduicated nitwits that expect to be treated with royality instead as an equal. Wild Bill
  5. 221

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    b12, I should leave this dog to die, but before you get that agribusiness crying towel too soaked, you should do a little research on how much the taxpayers are giving the American farmer in subsidies. If the farmers are bowing to the government, it's because they have been bought and paid for, with taxpayer money. There was an article recently about this runoff issue, and the gov is meeting with farmers and farm groups to see how they can entice farmers to clean up their act.....which is code for more funding, more subsidies. If manufacturing were the ones causing this, they would be fined a few million and be forced to lock their doors.

    IT's insane, the money they have collected.

    Look at the manufacturing sector, they pay the higher tax levels, they are trying to employ you and your neighbors, most are in debt up to their ears, they endure regulations that would make a farmer buy a rope. All the time the government is encouraging imports..which forces them to compete with Chinese labor.....WHERE"S THE OUTRAGE FOR THAT??????????

    Don't give me that don't cry with your mouth full crap either, the majority of this subsidized so called food is going into the production of fuel, manufactured materials, like polymers, and most of the rest is loaded on ships for export.

    The food you and I eat is usually imported, unless you grow your own, or stick that cow yourself, it's probably imported. If it's prepackaged it could be from anywhere.
  6. bill kindred

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    Pretty well said 221
    The amount of fertilizer placed on lawns in the heartland isn't enough to do anything even if it were all to "run off" . Most urban dwellers don't even fertilize and those who do are placing it on areas that usually absorb the rainfall due to being seeded.
    90 million acres of corn and around here they put 150 pounds on nitrogen on per acre. You do the math.
  7. southjblue

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    Tear---Tear---Tear---Won't be long and food will be tripple when we no longer have any more farmers----Look around---When is the last time you saw a young farmer.If the farm subsidy program was so great,then why are we losing farmers and farm land every yr.Look around at your farm land.Do you see new barns or are they from the last centry----It will be your tears sir when you will have to pay $12.00 for a loaf of bread.I don't want to get in this fight either but no one in my area wants to farm----Their kids are all gone off the farm.They won't get up at 4AM and work till dark and I don't blame them,but the Mesicans will.They will work through the night if there were lights in the field.Yes,we farmers do have tears---Tears of what used to be a great life till the LIBS took away our gift.I say the above with respect---Note, I don't speak with a mean tounge---You won't find many farmers cry about their woes,they just keep going on till they can't go anymore.---gL to you 221---You seem to know it all.
    George@SJB
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    +1 to southjblue.....
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    And again 221 has proved he is a frigging idiot
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    "Prices are going up"....yadda,yadda,yadda.......part of the reason for that is feed is too valuable to feed to livestock..........the sky is falling again.... That price scare tactic has been used for 40yrs.

    Farm land is dwindling because farmers are cashing their land in for mega bucks for development......Don't let the farmers fool ya.....farming is a good racket.
    Americans dump billions in ag products on the world markets, just like the Chinese were dumping steel.

    68 acre dairy farm??????? sold in Ohio recently brought 5 million, that was a Dutch farmer that ran up millions in loans and went back to the Netherlands.

    Some of those dutch were paying 6500-10,000 an acre just to spread manure on the land.

    sbj,,,,,,,where I live all the farmers are the younger, next generation.....you better get out more. You must live under a rock.
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    221 needs to check and see how much of the farm bill goes to food stamps and other give away programs. I have heard 70% of the farm bill goes that way.

    AWC
  12. 221

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    awc, www.ewg.org will tell you everything you want to know about subsidies.....it even outs the farmers by name as how much they get.....it should be required reading if your going to gang-pile on someone. Farmers had a real hissy fit when they started publishing public knowledge about them....The small farmers take it in the rear, while the medium to large farms make a killing.
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    And for those that have trouble navigating the site. pick a state , then a county, it's all there to see.
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    221 YOU are so out of touch with the the farmer... if a farmer has is so good then why dont you get in the business.
    I have never talked bad about anyone on this site but this one takes the cake.
  15. southjblue

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    221---Seems like you don't have much love for the farmer that provides you and yours with the best and most reasonable food in the world----If your not happy you should move to another country and find happyness----The LIBS want to give everything away,so why not give the farmer a bone?In Canada the govt.guarantees the grain grower a price for their crop and the farmer knows his price before the plow enters the ground----If the price is higher the farmer gets the higher price----We have to compete with that.I don't know your political origin,but you sound like a very unhappy person(LIB) from your writings.
    Remember the gas shortage of the 80s??----Well get ready for a food shortage.If it comes I hope the local farmers in your area remember your bashing----Wish I could be there to give you a few scraps.If anyone lives nxt to 221,paste his remarks for future use----It will be fun----gL 221----You'll need it one day.

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    Ahhh the self appointed expert on everything. He doesn't respond to a thread except to disagree with everyone and act like he is the only one who knows anything. Now we see he is not only the authority on all wars and everything pertaining to Veterans Affairs as well as anything sniper related or political, anything having to do with money or financing, all things pertaining to buisness and how they are run, anything to do with any sport or type of shooting including all generes of hunting, anything law related and now everything having to do with farming. I'm sure I have failed to mention many subjects of his expertise. I prefer to call him by his real name.


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  17. 90Tshooter

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    My Dad farmed many years ago. He said it's the only business where you buy retail and sell wholesale.

    My Sister and Brother-in-Law ran a small family farm, sold their dairy cows 2 years ago. I asked my Brother-in-Law what he was going to do. His response, "Doesn't matter what I do, I'll make more than I do now".

    Farming is like any other business, go big or get out. There is money to be made but you have to operate a farm like a big business. A huge dairy operation was built a few miles from me. It doesn't resemble a farm as we think of a farm. The days of the family farm are behind us.

    Oh, and as far as taxing run off, our water bill has had a "rain water run off" charge on it for over a year now.

    Joe
  18. Johnny

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    Just another example of liberal use of Federal funds and should be denounced.

    southjblue cites Canadian price guarantees as an example but that is Socialism.
  19. Setterman

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    Rain water run off laws are a result of asphalt replacing green space in urban and metro areas, and the increased amount of field tiling by farmers. It also is impacted by edge water run off from "no-till" practices that don't prevent field run off from big rains like plowed fields did.

    Do you have any idea how many additional acres have been tiled in the last few years as farmers attempt to create tax write offs and drain their fileds faster? Farmers want the water off their fields. The EPA wants retention.

    There is no question farmers are cashing in right now with the current grain prices and subsidies, but fertilizer, chemicals, seed, fuel, and equipment costs will soon catch up to them, and then the grains prices may plummet. Farm ground around here is up to $7,000 an acre, but it's because farmers are bidding it up.

    The tax write offs, subsidies, and big equipment (also a write off) now make farming a 4x4 job. 4 weeks to plant and 4 weeks to harvest, and a years worth of pay if they are managers.

    Right now everyone wants to be a farmer. Go in debt for a few million and you can do it. Then the politicians will change the farm bill....and your screwed.
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    Where do some people come up with some of these contorted ideas? A farmer is the ONLY producer that is a price taker not a price maker. Let me say that one more time for the libtards on this site. Farmers are the only producers that are price takers not a price makers. Name ANY other entity that produces a good or service and HAS to take the price of the commodity based on what someone else says it is worth. Crops and livestock are produced on their OWN land with their OWN sweat and tears using their OWN equipment and yet they have no say in the price they take for said commodity. EVERY other manufacturer or company in this country sets their own prices based on what it costs to produce and bring the commodity to the market. Not so with the American farmer. They are dictated to by a government that in turn has to subsidize them for taking such low returns on their investments. Farmers have been slaves to the government for decades.
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