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Eye Crossover Problems

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by TommyTEREX, Mar 3, 2007.

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  1. TommyTEREX

    TommyTEREX Member

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    Joe, I also have this problem. I use an EZ Hit bead, but there are times it dosen`t help because I see 2 birds, so it`s 1 eye shooting for me.

    You could try what I do, open both eyes until you see the bird, then squint your nondominant eye, and follow through.

    Hope this helps. I know this eye problem stinks.

    Tom R.
     
  2. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    I have a similar problem to SkipC. I crossfire just sometimes. I use a Uni-Dot front bead on my trap guns and a Meadow Industries Vari Brite II on my field/skeet gun. I look at the target not at the front bead and have filed down the middle bead which I think leads to bead checking. I know my gun fits, so I avoid that last minute check of the beads when I mount the gun and only soft focus down range into a zone in front of the trap house. I NOTICE my fiber optic front bead but do NOT look at it. Phil Kiner has videotaped many clinic shooters with a crossfire problem. Phil has stated that you need to do what works for you. I can get by with a Uni-Dot front bead, other shooters need the tape patch.
     
  3. phirel

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    Tom R. _ I do not see how you are able to see the bird with two eyes, then close one eye and shoot. I think that would make me shoot much too slow.

    Joe - I would think that the crossfire eliminator you mentioned would be the best solution for occasional cross firing.

    Pat Ireland
     
  4. Rollin Oswald

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    I agree with Pat.

    Rollin
     
  5. TommyTEREX

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    Pat, I`m still capable of takeing the birds at about 30-35 yds. from the 16yd. line. I`ve practiced this technique for a year or so, so now it comes naturally. I`ll admit when I first tried doing this the birds had crested, and it was a good thing I shot a 50/50 pattern. I`m back to a 60/40 now, and up until a recent gun change I was a 94% shooter ( not great, but not bad for a guy with 6 verterbra fused together).

    Tom R.
     
  6. foghorn220

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    Here might be a solution if one was to be the opposite eye dominant and dont want to change shoulders.

    Mr HAP on here sent me this pict.

    Foggy
     
  7. miketmx

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    I think there are a number of shooters who have mastered the trick of squinting the off shoulder eye closed at the last instant just before they shoot, unfortunately I am not able to do this.
     
  8. phirel

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    Tom R- If it works for you, then great. I would encounter great difficulty trying to close one eye after the bird is in the air. I am certain that I would forget which eye I was supposed to close.

    Pat Ireland
     
  9. dmarbell

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    I'm a new shooter, so take this with a grain of salt. However, it works for me, and comes from apparently good theory.

    I shoot better with a block of some sort over my left lens. I bought magic dots, in the 19mm size. It works ok, but I lose a lot of line-of-sight with this size. I shot this past weekend with left eye closed. I did ok, but I have trouble not squinting my right eye as I close my left, which also loses some sight.

    This week I've been practicing with the method in Bob Brister's fine book "Shotgunning: The Art and the Science." Mount the gun, prop it on something so you can remove your left hand. Have a dab of something, like petroleum jelly, on your right index fingertip. Close your RIGHT eye. Then place a glob of the jelly over the lens where you see the end of the barrel with your left eye. The smallest dab that does the trick is the best.

    Now with this small opaque dot in the correct place, you have the most two-eyed vision available without being able to see the end of the barrel with your left eye (gun properly mounted, of course, and no peeking!).

    Based on my experience, buy the 13mm dots if you are going that route.

    Danny
     
  10. southpark

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    I am pretty solidly left eye dominant and right handed. I am fairly ambidexterous though so I could regularly shoot 94 - 97 as a left hander. Never liked the feeling however so I switched to right handed with a UniDot.

    As someone described above, with a UniDot you focus both eyes on the target. You will likely see double vision (two barrels) but only one dot. The dot is to be in your peripheral vision only.

    For the record, anyone who claims the bead has nothing to do with it is just plain nuts. Precision trap shooting is all about an exact bird-bead relationship.

    On the other hand, if you focus on the bead you will likely miss the bird. So it is the opposite of precision pistol shooting where you focus on the front site and the target is fuzzy and in the background.

    You can notice a lot and react well to things you only see in your peripheral vision. For example, stand in front of someone with their arms outstretched and look right into their eyes. Now have them wave one of their hands and see if you can notice it. If you are older the hands may need to be kept closer to the body.

    Anyway, the Unidot sight is only visible from the gun shoulder eye. As long as that glowing bead is matched up with the target seen in sharp focus by both eyes, you can be assured you have the correct bird-bead relationship and any extra barrel or images in the peripheral vision generated by your off shoulder eye can be ignored.

    With a little practice you may find you really are almost as well off as a same handed/vision shooter.

    Good luck.
     
  11. waverider

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    Joe,

    I am not sure exactly what cross-fire eliminator you bought. If it is only the L shaped blinder, I think you also need a fiber-optic front bead to stop bead checking.

    My thinking is that you bead check because you are not sure where the front bead is. With a fiber-optic front sight there is no question, it is glowing out there. However, if you cannot learn to really focus on the target with the glow bead out there then fiber-optic beads are not for you. I would give it 2 or 3 thousand shots before giving up.

    In my case I have a weak dominate right eye and I am right handed. I always notice a "ghost" barrel floating to the right of the correct one. The Vari-Brite-Site II and III has help me with cross-firing.

    Nora Martin Ross comes to mind as a great shooter using only one eye.

    Jason
     
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    I too have a strong left eye even though I'm right eye dominant. Cross fire sights and devices don't work for me since it do nothing to keep my left eye from taking over on hard lefts. The magic dot for the lens did not work either since I could see around the dot. May be the tape over the lens is next. Good luck!....erm
     
  13. J.P.

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    I blacked out my beads ala P Kiner. Took a short time to eliminate this cross over thing, rarely comes back, when it does, black`em out. Something else I have found TO BE VERY IMPORTANT-STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS, STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS, STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO DO. THEY ONLY HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT IF THEY ARE FAILING. I SHOOT VERY WELL THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK AND GOOD SHOOTING.!!!
     
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