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Etiquett on the Firing Line

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 82nd Trooper, Apr 16, 2010.

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  1. 82nd Trooper

    82nd Trooper TS Member

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    Is there a ruling or practice for shooters on your squad to close the actions of their guns before it is their turn to shoot? As long as they don't bother the squad, violate safety, or they don't move positions with a loaded weapon is this acceptable?

    Thanks for the input.

    Scott
     
  2. Savage99Stan

    Savage99Stan Active Member

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    In some places, and I agree with this, you are not to close your action until it is your turn to shoot. The better clubs post their rules for all to see and this is one I have seen often posted.

    It can be disturbing to call pull and hear the slide going forward next to you, or the action being closed on a break open...especially if you see the gun coming up too (all before you have fired your shot). Yeah, jump on with the "blinders" and "concentration" stuff but I believe there is a rule about not doing anything to disturb the shooter.
     
  3. Flybob71

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    I soot an 1187, and have for a while. The way I do it as to not bother anyone is I close it immediately after the shooter 2 spots before me shoots. In other words, if I'm station 3, immediately after the shooter on 1 shoots, I close my action. If I somehow forget or there is a delay and don't close it well before the shooter before me mounts his gun, I wait until it's my turn. Never had a complaint.
     
  4. KENENT1

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    I shoot a break open gun and I too close mine when the shooter 2 stations before me shoots, then I am still while the shooter next to me is shooting.





    tony
     
  5. luvtrapguns

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    I started a very long thread on this subject a short time back. In short: No ATA rule against it, may be a local club rule.

    IMO there is no harm done to anyone if you time bolt or gun closing well before anyone's turn to shoot as long as your timing and gun mount do not interfere with any other shooter. Most accomplished shooters that I have shot with or observed ready their gun to fire well before it is their turn to shoot. I feel this gives a shooter time to adjust his vision out to where the bird will be instead of having to refocus at the last moment. If you shoot an auto and wait until it is your turn to shoot before closing the bolt a bird will be triggered at the sound of the bolt closing. When shooting an auto I time my bolt closing as close as I can to after the sound of the shooters BANG that is two stations ahead of me. Never had a complaint in fourty years until recently when an old non shooter grouch sitting on the porch two fields away almost violently complained that closing gun ahead of time was unsafe. No club rule about it. This same grouch voiced no complaints about several others I observed useing the same procedure as I. I must have looked especially attractive that day and he forgot his Viagra. And for the record, I do not swing that way.

    Marc
     
  6. Bernie K

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    I will say there have been times when a shooter has been shooting an auto and letting the bolt slam shut and set off a target just as someone is about to shoot. Shooters with autos should watch to see they are not setting off a target when they close the action. Bernie
     
  7. jdsfarms

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    I shoot a break open gun and close it upon hearing the report of the shooter firing before me.I seriously doubt if when you close your gun or action bothers very many who has shot a lot of targets,but I've had someone mount their gun before I shoot and it bothers me because I'm not sure if they are going to shoot out of turn or call for a target out of turn,in this case I will simply stop my routine and start over again and after a couple times the other shooter will generally make a change.Jerry
     
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    In my opinion, the gun should be closed only when it is your turn to shoot. I always watch all targets thrown and never look down to see if I`m closing my gun, so the vision problem never should affect the shooter. When we instruct new shooters to the range, we tell them to close the action when it`s their turn and not before. Old shooters are set in their ways and think they are always right because they have been doing it that way all their lives, anyway they want and don`t want to change. Therefore the new shooters see this and figure what we say is Bullshit. Get a new campaign going and change the ruling.
     
  9. GrubbyJack

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    or how about the junior (kid) to your left that just as your getting ready, he/she snaps open their O/U and snags the hull in mid-air, like a frog getting a fly.....LOL..GJ
     
  10. Old Cowboy

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    Scott,

    There is no ATA rule against closing your gun before it's your turn to shoot and it's a common practice at ATA registered shoots.

    John C. Saubak
     
  11. Unknown1

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    This is as bad as listening to a club house full of old duffers arguing for a rule to ban spiked sandals and spiked sneakers on the golf course because they're not proper golfing shoes.

    MK
     
  12. phirel

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    I close my gun well before it is time for me to mount the gun and shoot. I don't care when others close their gun unless it is the shooter to my right and he closes his gun just as I am ready to call for my bird. That bothers me.

    Pat Ireland
     
  13. BDodd

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    I agree with Zardo who agrees with Pat.
     
  14. Ken Brandt

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    I think everyone should wait until their turn before they open their gun and load it. Then they should mount and fire. Then wait until their turn again to open gun and reload so they can fire again. Then there is no un-neccasary movement to distract the other shooters on the squad.

    Sorry Scott, this responce was not meant to be a smart a$$ remark directed to you. It is just that I think it is rediculous, some the things that people claim as a distraction or a rules violation. As long as they are safe in what they do "WHO CARES". If you are thinking about breaking the next target out of the house, there are no distractions.

    Ken
     
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    Ditto on Bob, Pat & Zardo..As long as there is always SAFETY in mind. Muzzle only in a safe downrange direction.

    Big Jack
     
  16. Old Cowboy

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    I agree with Big Jack, BDodd, Zardo & Pat.......
     
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    Depending on the rythem of the squad I will close my bolt on the report of a shooter 2, 3 sometimes 4 shooters ahead of me, if that shooter is really slow.

    On a slloooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww squad I have to much time to get lost in inner space, and find myself holding a gun with an open action, once I close the action I am more aware of the targets and don't loose my place as easily.

    As long as the muzzle of the shooter on my right is reasonably still until I call my bird, I don't care what they are doing as long as it is not careless.

    I used to think I shot better on a fast squad, now I know it doesn't matter, as I have shot well on both and poorly on both.

    Al Lingham
     
  18. Shootist333

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    I was tought that there should only be 1 loaded gun at a time on the line. with blinders on you can't see if another shooter is being safe. I close my gun on the report of the shooter before me. having another loaded gun you can't see is a destraction in itself. and not very safe.
     
  19. RunGunIPSC

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    Been on the trap line shooting for 47 years. I ALWAYS get my gun loaded & closed ASAP in case I have a problem with ejection,sticky shell,gun won't close,etc. It gives me a few extra seconds to solve the problem AND/OR watch & concentrate on the targets. With a 1100,I do not let it slam closed,prefering to ease the bolt forward & lock it by pushing on the operating handle. This makes no noise.
    Yup,I am standing there with a loaded gun. I know this & treat it accordingly.
    I have never been called down about this. It is called muzzle control.
    As an IPSC Range Officer,I have often run & supervised other people running at full tilt with a loaded pistol & the safety off. This is accepted & considered proper form. Think standing on the trap line is any more dangerous. You always make sure everyone is behind the muzzle.
     
  20. smoking357

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    Hell, I've shot next to old guys who close their actions when I close mine, mount when I mount and call for their bird very close to the instant I've broken mine. There are pieces of two birds in the air at the same time.

    I hate shooting with these kind of people.
     
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