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Either way, the Rule of Law won

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by mallard2, Jun 30, 2012.

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  1. mallard2

    mallard2 Active Member

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    Whether you like Justice Roberts' decision or not, it is reasuring that we live in a country where such things are decided in a high court, or at the ballot box.

    For example, the military just disbanded the Supreme Court in Egypt. Imagine that in the USA.

    Is this a great country or what?
     
  2. GW22

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    Yeah, but unfortunately a lot less "great" than it used to be.

    -Gary
     
  3. Don Steele

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    "Great" is a pretty relative term. My Father...God rest his soul...wouldn't recognize THIS America as being even slightly related to the one he spent 24 yrs. serving in the U.S. Navy,or the one his brother died for as a Marine Corps. pilot in the Pacific.
    I'm not sure what I'm gonna tell those two men when we meet in the hereafter. Frankly at this moment...I'm feeling somewhat ashamed. I WILL get over it, but for the moment...I'm not too proud of a voting population that would elect Barack Hussein Obama to be President.
     
  4. Bisi

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    How did the rule of law win? By finding this law constiutional? Our constitution was based on limiting the power of government. I and anybody else can read it. It was written in plain language. To find something in the constition that says you must do this or you will be fined? Where?

    Then for Roberts to come out and say no the government can't force you do something, but if you don't do it you can be taxed. I thought judges weren't suppose to make law but interpt it. They are supposed to judge the orginial intent of the law. Well hell Ojackass, Pelosi, Reid all said the "fine" was not a tax, but a punishment for not purchasing health insurance! Judge Roy Beane Roberts just disregarded orginial intent and made it a tax.

    Now how did the rule of law win?

    The Nazis in the 30s, were following the rule of law. They had laws same as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot..

    Don Steele, I know how you feel. My Dad fought in the Pacific. He manned a water cooled machine gun. Before he died back in 1999 he made the comment that he didn't know if he would fight for this country any more. To him things had been going down hill and everything was backward. Nobody gave him anything and everywhere he looked the muchers and freebie seekers were taking over.

    We sure did a disservice to all those people whom fought to secure liberty and we just give it away.
     
  5. Rick Barker

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    I think he could have put the Administration and Senate Dems in a spot.

    If the law is not written as the penalty as being a tax, but is written as fine, he said they cannot fine or assess a penalty under the Commerce Clause.

    The Dems do not want speak the word "tax" until the election is over.

    The Republican House will not help with any admendments to the bill, short of abolishing it.

    If the law is unchanged and there is no "tax" as it is written and they cannot assess a penalty under the Commerce Clause then what?????

    If you wrnt to court to fight it, would you have a real challenge to the law by saying, "there is no tax written into this law. The Court cannot create a tax law, only Congress can" ??????
     
  6. Model Number 12

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    Bisi, my uncle fought in the Battle of the Bulge and he recently said the same thing; that is, he wonders where the country he fought for has gone to.
     
  7. Setterman

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    No, blame the eff'n voters for putting a Democratic house and Senate in power as well as a Dem President, Obama at the reigns.

    They could pass anything they wanted, and they did.

    Now we pay the price.
     
  8. John Galt

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    At least liberals like mallard are happy, for now. Wait until they learn what they're in for, then they can be as unhappy as normal people.
     
  9. birdogs

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    The theme of these posts is that the country is not the same as it used to be. That is certainly true. The "progressives" would have you believe that this is the "new normal". They have worked long and hard to make it so. While you were working hard at your jobs and raising your families to make things better, they were working just as hard to make them different. Can anyone say that they have not succeeded?

    How do we change it back? What are the chances? There are now over 50% of the voters who pay no federal income taxes and receive some sort of "public assistance" - welfare. They think this is their right. They will resist giving this up. It will have to be wrested from them. Who will have the guts to attempt it? The truth is that nothing short of a revolution will accomplish this. However, that will not happen and perhaps that is the saddest part of all - that Americans have become sheep and no longer have the spirit of '76.

    It was great while it lasted. I'm glad I'm not young enough to be there for the sad ending.
     
  10. birdogs

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    ps The "Rule of law" only won if you believe that the Court was wrong in the case of Marbury vs Madison. It was in this case that the Court assumed the right to judge a law's constitutionality. If they were wrong in assuming that right, then and only then could you say that the "Rule of law won". Otherwise, if the Court really does have the right and obligation to judge the constitutionality of a law passed by the legislature, they did the right thing but perhaps with the wrong result.
     
  11. tachyon

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    birdogs has it right. We have reached a tipping point in the United States. More than 50% of the people eligible to vote do not pay _ANY_ income tax and most of them receive back more that what is withheld through the "earned income credit" which should be called "direct welfare payment".

    When you pay no income taxes it is easy to vote for more spending. The "progressives" plan is to purchase a permanent voting base through more entitlements.
     
  12. Setterman

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    Look a the words "Insurance Company". The last word is "Company". What is a company suppose to do? Make a profit (which keeps it in business or it doesn't decide), and pay back it's investors.

    Eventually, the health insurance companies will be out of business when the mandates take affect, or they will have to raise costs. Who will pay the additional cost?

    Either the user or Gubmit will have to bail them out.

    Those in favor of the Health care plan refuse to acknowledge the additional cost. It has to come from somewhere.
     
  13. GW22

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    Don't think that the health insurance companies aren't in bed with Obamacare - it guarantees that they'll make money.

    The big question that people seem to have forgotten about is this: How can you possibly add 30 - 40,000,000 new beneficiaries who couldn't afford to get insurance, plus tens of thousands of new government bureaucrats on top of an already bureacracy-clogged system, and not expect costs to increase dramatically? All the government's answers to this crucial question are smoke & mirrors nonsense. The only logical answer is worse service and rationing. I've got news for you -- your going to get that AND higher costs. There is simply no other way for this scheme to function.

    -Gary
     
  14. Recoil Sissy

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    Winner, winner, chicken dinner Gary has it pegged.

    As per normal, we the taxpayers, will pay the freight for the slacker and criminal classes plus an endless stream of illegal alien invaders.

    Up to now those costs covered food, housing, education, emergency medical, entertainment (cable tv, smokes and booze), plus the costs of the "criminal justice system".

    The last category includes cost of police to arrest their sorry @sses, a prosecutor to argue for incarceration, a taxpayer financed public defender to keep them out of jail, judges and juries to decide, plus all the costs of jails and jailers until they get parolled to start things all over again.

    The rest of us will be paying more and getting less for healthcare. Instead of waiting behind the ambition impaired in line at the supermarket, we'll be waiting behind them in line at doctors' offices and hospitals. We'll pay all the freight while losing access to the very services we finance.

    obummer was listening in class with his Marxist professors.

    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    Karl Marx

    Welcome to the wonderful world of socialized medicine and the Socialist States of America.

    sissy

    PS: The government's answer to increased costs is the same as always. "Increase taxes for rich people". What drippy12 and the clueless 'independent' voters haven't yet figured out is that they ARE the rich people.
     
  15. birdogs

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    Further, since the practice of medicine will no longer be a profession but a government job, who will want to go to med school? Where will the needed doctors come from to treat these 30 million new patients? And where will the doctors come from in the future? Is the government preparing to admit thousnds of graduates of the University of Bangladesh?
     
  16. GW22

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    Birdogs:

    We started doing that a few decades ago.

    In the 80s, when the VA Hospital overdosed my father with a triple-dose of blood pressure medicine, it was hard to find a doctor on the floor who spoke understandable English, much less figure out what was wrong with Dad. This horrifying VA Hospital experience, and the subsequent funeral, was my preview of ObamaCare.

    -Gary
     
  17. John Galt

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    The bottom line is very simple: this country, which can't afford the entitlements already promised, has added yet another huge new entitlement onto this pile of unaffordable entitlements. The inevitable result is bankruptcy and obamacare will do nothing but speed up the process. The only question is how long will it take before nobody is willing to loan us money any longer.
     
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  19. bigdogtx

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    I'm with Kit......
     
  20. Setterman

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    And we have just taken away the incentives of drug companies to develope new drugs for cancer, MS, MD, etc, etc.

    Or is the government taking over that as well?
     
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