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East coast power lineman need some good press

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by len loma, Nov 15, 2012.

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  1. len loma

    len loma TS Member

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    I watch the news daily and see everyone ranting about the lack of electrical power being restored from Sandy. My heart goes out to the residents. Do people have any idea what these electrical lineman must endure to restore thier power. Many of these guys have volunteered to be out there to help them.

    I can only imagine the hazards and conditions they must deal with and the long hours they put in daily. I have no doubt the guy climbing the pole is putting his heart into his job working as fast as he can. People don't get it that these guys can't make mistakes because it may cost a life. You know slavery was outlawed years ago so be thankful these employees chose their career and are there helping. I just wish these utility workers would get some good press from the media for once. Think about it, Len
     
  2. 391 shooter

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    More clay, you are so right.

    I have been through 3 big hurricaines in my life here in Florida, those guys put out big time getting power back up and yes it is very hazardest work.

    We welcommed out of state help with open arms, however, if New Jersy and New York would get off the Union crap with help from other states you would see a huge increase in electricity back on in those areas. Those guys comming to help are not there to take jobs, just to help get the juice back on and then leave. But the Unions rule, they don't give a rats a** about the people just their union. This has been proved time and again after Sandy according to what I have read in the news.
     
  3. Stl Flyn

    Stl Flyn Well-Known Member

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    That was proven rhetoric! What are you reading?
     
  4. CharlieAMA

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    A neighbor of mine just got back from New York, helping with all of that mess. They took trucks and equipment up there, caravaning at 55MPH. They work for Excel-Sps Energy here. He said they could not go into certain townships or precincts, because of the unions. They could work right up to the line, and then had to quit. Pretty sad state of affairs in a disaster. Charlie
     
  5. TD1958

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    Imagine that, a union getting in the way of restoring power to people that are in the need. Unions better wake up!!!! Just say'n Tim
     
  6. ExFedex

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    A few of my Dad's hunting buddys were linemen in New England area. Still remember coming home from a date in an ice storm or blizzard and seeing them up there with that little tent for protection sometimes. Very dangerous job. They were both non-drinkers too!
     
  7. Sharp1

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    Amen! God Bless the Lineman!

    Those East Coasters...I seen they were even going to sue the Utility...WTF?
    Since whene is Electricty a god givin right? Hey if the lights arent on you aint getting charged. There are no guarantees when it comes to electric service..If its that important GET YOUR OWN GEN...What a bunch of entitled idiots!

    GL
     
  8. halfmile

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    There was a buzz about a pole shortage somwher in that mess.....

    If those guys were IBEW I am quite ashamed, but this is not to be blamed on the organization because a couple stewards and BA's acted like R.O.'s

    HM
     
  9. trapshootin hippie

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    Halfmile, I recieved a stern warning from a moderator about my use of the last three words you used above.

    Just saying.

    GneJ
     
  10. halfmile

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    Point taken. I try to stay within the limits established by cable TV, which just about everyone has.

    I also don't hide behind letter substitutions like using "ph" instead of "f" to get away with it. Some forums have bots that look for that. One place I go to has a bot the eliminates the words and puts (bleep) in their place.

    HM
     
  11. Ifitfliesitdies

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    Here's an article published in the New York Newsday November 9 by Mark Harrington. You can decide weather the union held up crews for 5 days or more.


    The following is the link but you have to be an on-line subscriber so I copied the actual article below the link.
    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/fla-utility-union-delayed-crews-for-lipa-1.4205898?qr=1



    Fla. utility: Union delayed crews for LIPA

    Originally published: November 9, 2012 2:08 PM
    Updated: November 9, 2012 10:39 PM
    By MARK HARRINGTON mark.harrington@newsday.com

    As superstorm Sandy pounded Long Island last week, representatives for the Long Island Power Authority began making mayday calls to repair crews across the nation. But their requests for help came with a footnote, according to one utility group that received a call: Contact the local electrical union first so that imported workers could be signed up as members before they arrived.

    With repair work still going on 12 days later and more than 160,000 Long Islanders still without power after Sandy and this week's nor'easter, the contention that LIPA's union leaders required so-called "assent letters" sent to would-be workers early in the restoration has become an issue as ratepayers look for answers about why it's taking so long to get power back.

    Barry Moline, executive director of the Florida Municipal Electric Association, said Long Island could have received 125 additional workers from utilities across Florida as soon as two days after the storm if a dispute about the letters had been resolved sooner. He said most of the crews from Florida who were available were nonunion and refused to join Local 1049 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, even if only temporarily. IBEW Local 1049 represents some 2,000 National Grid workers contracted by LIPA.

    "To have this contract thrust upon these organization on short notice is an affront..." Moline said. "We said [to IBEW local.] "Why are you dong this? They said, "We want them [imported workers] to get a taste of the union so that when they go back home, they want the union.'"

    Crews that could have come to Long Island went instead to Pennsylvanis, Moline said. "We could have been there on Wednesday, and instead we arrived on Sunday," he said, after the union rescinded the requirement.

    LIPA referred questions about the issue to National Grid, the company contracted by LIPA to oversee operations. "Assent letters were not required and that is not National Grid policy", spokeswoman Wendy Ladd said.

    The dispute was settled the weekend after the storm hit following intervention by American Public Power Association, which represents 2,000 municipal utilities across the nation. Nicholas Braden, a spokesman for the association, said although it took several days to resolve, he did not believe it delayed workers from arriving to the region.
    Braden said the issue in dispute was that nonunion crews would have had to pay union dues and stuff...It kind of stopped things in their tracks until they could work out the issue." Braden said it was resolved by elimination of the requirement that they join the union. Crews from several Southern states had issues with the contract, Braden said, including workers from Georgia, Florida and Alabama.

    Don Daley, Business manager for Local 1049 of the IBEW, said no worker was turned away for refusing to sign the assent letters. "We're all about getting the lights on...1049 has not obstructed anyone from coming."
    He said that the money paid into pension and health funds would benefit the workers, not the fund. "That's their money," Daley said. "I think they just make a request to take their money out, and whatever tax laws there are, they get their money."
    The assent letter--if signed--made out-of-state workers temporary members of the union, who receive Long Island's prevailing wage, regardless of what they received at their home utility. Included in the contract that temporary union members sign, according to a copy of it provided to Newsday: contribution of 22.5 percent of each employee's gross salary to the IBEW annuity fund: payments of $9.75 and hour to the union's health and welfare fund; 3 percent of each worker's gross salary to the union's National Electrical Benefit fund"; 3 percent of each worker's gross salary to the union's National Electrical Benefit Fund; and lesser amounts to other funds.
     
  12. halfmile

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    Sounds like a big mess to me, more questions thazn answers.

    So far no one has bothered to post the pay scales involved here, and whatever the differences are between the visiting workers' normal wage and the wage they would receive as temporary union members. If they go home with more money than they would have earned under normal circumstances the dispute has no legs.

    FYI according to salary.com a NY lineman makes about 100K including wages, bonuses, and a benefit package of around 20K. Long Island Power Authority will be paying this under the agreement.

    How about the Canadian linemen who worked in the area? Hydro Quebec has mutual assistance agreements with US utilities. Are they subject to these constraints? I read they had sent 200 men into the area.

    Who is going to cover the cost of LIPA's rebuilding of its facility? Their insurance company will probably be hurt badly. (You can bet there will be an attempt to stick it to the taxpayer in some way.) One can only hope they have had some sort of preparation for this contingency.

    As in Katrine, the effects of this event will be felt long after.

    HM
     
  13. Rick Barker

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    Consumers will be paying the bulk of the repairs.

    The utility will seek a rate hike and the States will have no choice but to grant it.

    Curious, how many coal powered plants are part of the gird in the area?

    Will they be shut down by the EPA sometime in the future?
     
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