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Dust Around A Target

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Jon Reitz, Mar 31, 2010.

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  1. Jon Reitz

    Jon Reitz Well-Known Member

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    We've all seen dust come off clay targets from time to time, particularly when the sun hits it just right. These are scored as "LOST", but what is it? Fire away Ed & dawg...

    Jon Reitz
     
  2. halfmile

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    When only one or 2 pellets hit the bird and go through without fracturing the target you see the dust.

    Yes, it's lost. You need a visible piece and dust doesn't count.

    If the pellet hits the rim sometimes it will fracture the target because of the spin.

    Center hits make smoke. Hit them with the center of the pattern.

    HM
     
  3. moore5833

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    the shot rakes the bird but doesn't break it,happens in winter alot with frozen targets. Unless you see paint-it's not broke
     
  4. Mike Hessong* (MH*)

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    Jon, we've all seen this and we all agree that "dust" really is microscopic chips, but unless it is a visible, discernable (SP?) piece (what I call a fingernail size or so), then it is LOST. Mike* (MH*)
     
  5. Ron Burdick

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    Jon, I think they may be old targets and it is mold that is coming off of them.

    Have a good day, it is going to be sunny and 78 deg here in SC today.

    Ron Burdick
     
  6. shot410ga

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    Try bio targets. Big puffs of smoke, no pieces. Check some out on the ground, lots of holes but no pieces missing.
     
  7. Jon Reitz

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    RBurr,

    78 and sunny huh? Rub it in. 33 and cold here, but on my way to club anyway.

    Jon
     
  8. highflyer

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    It's lost. If you look close you will see a few targets every round that are only dusted.
     
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    I notice that the ATA rules don't specify how big the pieces have to be before they cease being "dust" and qualify as "pieces". Dust is obviously solid material, although very small, and if it can be seen with the eye shouldn't it qualify as pieces?

    I've been to any number of ATA shoots where the targets are scored as "dead" if they simply make a noticeable change of direction when hit, even if no pieces, parts or dust come off.

    MK
     
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    Maybe next time I roll dust off a target I'll try to convince the scorer that I completely smoked a very small portion of the target and what was left was just a piece, albeit a big one.
     
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    I bet that they're Federal targets. Just plain bullet proof!
     
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    I think ATA could clarify the rule easily if they would specify that the "piece" has to retain the color of the target (i.e. orange/black target, orange or black piece), but don't tell them.

    MK
     
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    Squibb, you've never seen a "bushwhacker" where a guy smokes a fingernail size piece of target broken by the previous shooter? It does happen and often in that game!

    Hap

    ATA rules say, a visable peice must be seen as broken and not dusted.
     
  14. flybyknight

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    Phil Kiner will tell you that "dust" is actually your shot. When I took a class from him several years ago, he proved that it was shot by replaying video in slow motion. The "dust" was quite clearly one's shot. I would suggest that further questions on this subject be addressed to Phil. I'm sure he has more experience and insight than any of us. Bob K
     
  15. Barry C. Roach

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    I have seen a target get dusted and moved by the shot's impact and fly to the ground unbroken to the soft grass. When we went out to look at the target, clearly visible from the 16 yard line, and it had a been hit by shot 7 times. Just a bad luck for the shooter. It happened a lot on the targets the last time Remington supplied them at the Grand.
     
  16. Jon Reitz

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    flybyknight and Barry,

    That's kind of where I was going with this, trying to determine if the target was actually hit, or if it's just the shot string passing by in a close proximity. Like Barry, I've seen dusted targets that I've gone and picked up whole, but with one or more holes thru them, so I'm not sure.

    JR
     
  17. highflyer

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    Dust is caused by trap shooters who insist on using 8's instead of 7 1/2's.
     
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    I don't really mean that. I used 8 1/2 shot the other day with an improved cylinder choke from the 16 yard ling to see how it would work. It worked great.
     
  19. Mark425

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    I bet you hit it dead center...probably a blown pattern...RIGHT ?
     
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    Old boy at our club says "If you can't hit it any harder than that, you don't deserve it." Great point, learn where your gun is shooting and center the target. Phil says "choke for smoke"
     
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