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Dud Winchester Primers

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by tjcutter, Jun 13, 2008.

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  1. tjcutter

    tjcutter TS Member

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    Had my 3rd dud Win. primer in the last 2 weeks. They were definitely hit well enough that they should have gone off. Anyone else seen this.

    Tom
     
  2. fssberson

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    Absolutely!! Had two of them two months ago in brand new Super Handicap shells during an ATA shoot in the same box [almost cost me a FF] and Winchester will blame your gun. When placed in another gun, they still did not fire. But they sent me a $10 coupon for new shells. Fred
     
  3. snglfoot

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    I have had 1 Dud,,but I am having a lot of trouble with "Recessed Primers, in the primer pocket, not in the shell. Had 8 out of 300 last Sat. luck had it there was not more than 2 per 25, lost no targets.
     
  4. fssberson

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    That was exactly the problem... recessed primers. Fred
     
  5. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    snglfoot and Fred, what type of loaders are you guys using? Thanks. Hap
     
  6. fssberson

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    Hap: We are talking about FACTORY shells! I have Spolar and it is more reliable than the factory. The factory [Winchester] blamed my gun [Mach One] even though I told them that the shells would not fire in my Beretta DT10 as well. I have had no problems with Federal or Remington shells. Fred
     
  7. snglfoot

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    Hap, mine is a MEC 9000G,,,I had no problem for the first yr. or so,,just the last 6-8 mo.s,,,,
     
  8. Hap MecTweaks

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    Thanks Fred and snglfoot! The only Winchester primers I have left are the old type of 209s. A nephew used those new type of Win primers and had several mis-fires also. Looks as though the problem with primers is in all AA ammo and not just with what's sold for re-loads. At this rate it won't take too long to destroy the reputation the old timers at Winchester built. That's a real shame too! Hap
     
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    Remingtons are worse. Federals are nearly flawless!!
     
  10. snglfoot

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    4 more this week-end (out of 200),,,This is getting a little hard to handle,,,I'll beat the State shoot in 2 weeks,,, plan to talk to gun-smith, any one else that will listen, to try to solve this problem. Maybe changing brands is the answer.
     
  11. phirel

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    I have shot about 20 flats of new AA shells this year. Last week at the NC State, I had the first shell that did not go off (primer set too deep in the shell). It was a big problem for me. I shot all week with John Hiter and I kept giving him a hard time because he was shooting discount shells and I was shooting premium shells. All of his went off. Now, I will get picked on by John for the next couple of years.

    Pat Ireland
     
  12. Bluedog

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    have had 6 in the last 800 I reloaded . I'm thinking of trying Wolfe primers
     
  13. DTrykow

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    12 years of reloading with 209 Primers. Not one dud with either factory shells or reloading with a MEC or Dillon. Dave T.
     
  14. SR1

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    I had 3 in the last 5000 I bought the cup wad too deep on the ones that I had trouble with and no Winchester didnt give me anything either.
     
  15. fssberson

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    Two more factory shells failed this Saturday from the same box [Super Handicap], same flat of shells. Primers set into deep. Mach One would not shoot them although dimpled them; a Perazzi MX2000 set them off. I think the problem is endemic to certain run of shells with primers set too deep AND brass base too thin so certain guns cannot hit primers fully. I have four boxes left from this flat and will shoot them for practice as I have no confidence that they will go bang. I will not reload any gray hulls from this flat as I cannot trust the primer hole seating. All red AA's [Lights} worked just fine and have not had any trouble with factory or reloading. Fred
     
  16. snglfoot

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    Of my last 8 "Duds", 4 were gray, (7/8 oz) and 8 were red (1 oz),,,so don't think the color makes a difference,,,James Flynn at CA state shoot, said he can fix it for me,,,Gun??? We'll see.
     
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