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Doubles shooting, what's the rule?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 1brucem, Jul 24, 2011.

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  1. 1brucem

    1brucem TS Member

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    Doubles shooting, what

    At our Fiesta day shoot as Spanish Fork, UT the follow happened, how should it of been ruled. The shooter on post 4 called for and got a pair. As he pulled the trigger he's gun doubled, and he hit the first bird. We decided that it was a failure to fire on the second bird and he got to shoot again. This time his gun doubled again and he missed the first target. He walked off the field and withdrew due to gun failure. I must confess that I've never seen this before and don't really know the correct answer. The first pair could be deemed "dead and lost" as the shooter did shoot twice and broke the first bird only. Could be "lost a pair" as he shot at the first target twice. And of course could be "failure to fire" as there was a clearly a problem with the gun that prevented a "normal shot". The second pair could be "lost a pair as he fired at and missed the first and his gun went off twice. Thanks for the answer. Bruce
     
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    Rule Book Section VII, D (Failure to Fire), paragraph 3:

    "3. Machine-gunning or doubling only occurs in doubles events where two shots are fired with a single operation of the trigger, rendering the competitor incapable of firing at the second target because both shot shells have fired. When a defective gun malfunctions, doubles or machine guns whether or not the first target would have been scored “dead” or “lost” and whether or not either target is legal or illegal, the referee/scorer shall rule this occurrence a “failure to fire” and score accordingly."
     
  3. 1brucem

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    Thanks V10!
     
  4. trapshootin hippie

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    Bruce, no failure to fire charged if shooter missed the first target,lost pair.
     
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    Wrong, hippie, they are both "Failures to Fire."

    In the case stated in the OP, the shooter would have had two Failures to Fire. If he had continued, additional failures to fire in that sub-event would have been scored as lost.
     
  6. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    1brucem:

    V10 gave you the definative answer.

    At the point you stopped the story, your squad mate had his two allowable failures to fire. If he had a back up gun or could borrow one, he could have finished the event. If he withdrew without completing the subevent, any remaining targets in that subevent should have been scored 'lost'.

    sissy
     
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    Page 30 & 31 current ATA rule book.

    3. Machine-gunning or doubling only occurs in doubles events where two shots are fired with a single operation of the trigger, rendering
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    the competitor incapable of firing at the second target because both shot shells have fired. When a defective gun malfunctions, doubles or machine guns whether or not the first target would have been scored “dead” or “lost” and whether or not either target is legal or illegal, the referee/scorer shall rule this occurrence a “failure to fire” and score accordingly.

    Earlier the rules stated that if a gun doubles or machine guns it is not considered firing 2 shots at the first bird.

    The ruling should have been failure to fire on both instances, re-shoot the pair. A failure to fire noted for each failure to fire ie 2 failure to fire.

    Jason
     
  8. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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