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DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE CANDIDATES, WHAT 2 DO?

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    HELLO:
    over the years i have gotten so sick of polititians with all their empty promises and personal agendas. it has gotten to the point that i no longer believe a word they say regardless of party. i respect the military record of one of the candidates, but that is about all. does anybody else feel this way?
    steve balistreri
     
  2. Bisi

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    A lot of people feel the same way. I'll probably vote Libertarian this year.
     
  3. highflyer

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    None of the candidates are the best choice. But you have one candidate that has the most liberal voting record in the Senate and for years listened to a preacher that is a known America hating racist. I don't think there is much difference between Chavez and Obama. If you value your freedom to own firearms you couldn't have a worse candidate than Obama. If you value freedom in general you couldn't have a worse candidate.
     
  4. highflyer

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    As much as I dislike McCain I don't think he is the same kind of Socialist as Chavez. Obama is.
     
  5. BDodd

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    They're rated "F - F - and D." I'll vote for the best one with the best grade....Bob Dodd
     
  6. deckart

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    I think you can't have everything in any one candidate. Try to see which one you most agree with. Or, as in my case in the past, vote a third party and send a message to both parties that they are losing votes and let them figure out why. The important thing is to vote. deckart

    PS The worst candidates ever? what about Viagra man Dole? Or mickey mouse nominee Dukakis? There have been some stinkers in the past too.
     
  7. exnavy81

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    IT's become a non party thing everywhere you go, and everyone you talk to Democrats Republicans, they all respond the same way. No one seams to like any of the candidates, no one is happy with the president or congress. No one sees any hope for the future. The thing about America that was always great was there were always good jobs, and opportunity. Our governemnt has sold out the American dream to coporate executives who's only plan is to lay off everyone they can, ship jobs overseas and collect massive pay for doing it. Now its 200 Billion dollar bail outs for the banks that were dolling out 100's of millions in bonus' last year. There was never bail outs for the steel industry, not to much for the automotive industry, and nothing for the aircraft either, why is it that the companies that employ blue collar 9 to 5 guys never get any help?
     
  8. senior smoke

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    some great comments, i am 56 years old, can't remember such a sorry lot of candidates. can't remember when our country was in such a sorry state. hopefully things will get better. worst thing you can do to people is take there hope and dreams away from them.
    steve balistreri
     
  9. K80433SC

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    Can you say "World Government" ? We can all go, kicking and screaming, or we can march like sheep to the slaughter. The end result is inevitable, folks.....

    Can you not see why there is so little differentiation amongst the political candidates or the parties anymore ? Are you blind to the DAILY manipulation of the stock and futures market? Are you really so lost as why oil and its far-reaching effect on the price of ALL goods is being used to totally squash the average working man ? Do you REALLY think the gun control issue is called "control" for the purpose of common-sense measures to make our neighborhoods safer ? Have you no understanding that welfare hand-outs and the depletion of Social Security reserves are blatantly designed to make everyone "equally poor" -- thus dependent upon government for our very existance ?

    To all naysayers - and I've read a bunch of you here, already : The sky IS falling. The day IS coming. The grooming of public attiude is progressing nicely for the powers that be, and those who will replace them. The saddest fact is not that many cannot foresee their own Armegeddon, but rather that they so vehemently deny its very existance.
     
  10. crusha

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    Hillary will be President.


    America will survive.
     
  11. Capt. Morgan

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    Don't count on THAT!!

    The Arab nations already don't want to deal with SoS Rice. Do you think they'll be any more excited about dealing with Clinton if she becomes Rices's boss?

    Morgan
     
  12. letts

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    Maybe we need another choice.



    NONE OF THE ABOVE!



    Letts
     
  13. admiral Art

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    The concept is called the lesser of 3 evils.

    If you were on an island, and the only food was carrots, or broccoli, or peas.
    And you had to pick one and only one.

    You would have to pick one (I hate all 3) to survive.
     
  14. hoggy

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    You know it's really funny. Everyone I talk to about the up coming election says the same thing. They don't like any of the candidates. I agree I don't like any of them, but I have to wonder if noone dislikes all of the candidates how the hell did they get nominated? This country of our is in really sad shape. I for one am really worried.
     
  15. stokinpls

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    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/2008/04/03/hillarys_biggest_mistake

    Hillary's Biggest Mistake

    By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
    Thursday, April 3, 2008

    What worked for P.T. Barnum didn't do as well for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). When the great showman said, “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people,” he unknowingly anticipated the fundamental assumption that underlay the campaign of the first woman seriously to contend for the presidency. But however correct Barnum's observations may have been about the circus audiences of years ago, it has proven a flawed premise for a 21st century presidential campaign.

    From the very beginning of her solo political career, Hillary Clinton has manifested a consistently low opinion of the intelligence of voters. Sometimes the bet has paid off — as when she tried to convince New Yorkers that she wanted to become one of them (when, in fact, she would have run in Montana had there been a vacancy).

    But lately, it hasn't. Her entire decision to predicate her campaign on the basis of her so-called “experience” reflected a belief that she could put one over on us by co-opting Bill's experience and making it her own. So enticed was she by the prospect of attacking Obama for his lack of tenure in federal office that she didn't stop to notice that she didn't have much more than he did and could only make her point by exaggerating her role in her husband's administration. Small matter. She was so confident that she could pull off the deception that she premised her entire campaign on her ability to do so.

    Hillary always tries to put one over on us. She refused to release her financial records and tax returns and figured we'd never notice. She spoke vaguely of her sympathy with those who wanted to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants and bet that the media would never force her to articulate a real position.

    Hillary tried to make her insistence on mandatory health insurance the lynchpin of her differences with Obama and assumed that she would never have to explain how she would enforce it. Her campaign was funded by lobbyists — and Obama's was not — but she guessed that it would never become an issue. She and Bill kept dropping hints about racial issues in the campaign, but they decided nobody would call them on it.

    Mrs. Clinton believed that she could support the Iraq war until moments before her presidential candidacy began and that the anti-war movement would welcome her as one of their own anyway.

    The Clintons' entire approach to this campaign season was based on learning the wrong lessons from their political history. They survived the Lewinsky imbroglio, the pardons scandal, and the theft of White House gifts and assumed they were bulletproof. They confused our forgiveness with gullibility and came to feel that they could get away with anything. When Hillary won her Senate seat in New York, after Giuliani dropped out and Lazio could offer only nominal opposition, she believed she could sell voters any kind of chimera and they would fall for it.

    But she assumed wrong. We saw through her claims of experience and followed her twists and turns on Iraq. We realized that she was being propped up by lobbyists and special interests as a phony brand of change.

    (Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
     
  16. nipper

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    run for president then id say

    Bill
     
  17. 1atatime

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    There is a lot of disappointment with John McCain as the Republican nominee, with all sorts of statements that many of us will not suppot him. Yes. He is a maverick, and, yes, he does not always espouse the attitudes many of us hold as near and dear. In many ways, he is barely a Republican, much less a "true conservative".

    However, whether we like the Presidential choices is not the issue and would seem to be irrelevant. As voters, we can only vote for those those who are nominated or not vote at all.

    If we do not vote, we abrogate our responsibility as citizens and should have no further right to complain about who is eventually put in office or the policies they pursue. (Although many will not vote and will still complain, I have no time for them.)

    On the other hand, we can vote, but instead of voting for a candiddate who has a chance, we vote for some "third party" candidate. There has NEVER been a 3rd party candidate elected. (The best chance any 3rd party candidate ever had was Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party, and all he did was cause the Republicans to lose to the Wilson Democrats. I believe Ross Perot accomplished the same thing in 1994.) If you are TRULY a Libertarian (or anything else), fine, vote your conscience. But if you do it as a backlash against the "electable" candidate, you are simply throwing your vote away. That's like calling for a bird and missing it on purpose.

    So what is one to do? We have no guarantees, but logic would dictate that if we elect the candidate (even one we don't personally like) who is most closely aligned with the Party we generally support, our chances are better that we will get legislation and policies that are at least less offensive to our beliefs than if sit idly by and let the other party win and push their agenda.

    This reasoning is based on the reasoning that first, the candidates on the other side WILL pursue policies and legislation offensive to our beliefs, and that our "disliked" candidate, if in office, will be at least partially held in check by members of his own party.

    There is an old adage, "vote for the devil you know rather than the devil you don't". Here, all 3 "devils" are known. Hopefully, we will elect the one who will do the least damage.
     
  18. Tripod

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    somebody is gonna win out of the two parties so take your pick..
     
  19. Big Heap

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    This youtube commentator has some interesting views.

    http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=G1EXKLVgEx0
     
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