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Does hussein want to completely control ALL???

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Sep 27, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    If he REALLY wants to have better educated kids,,,,give parents vouchers that they can use a the school of THEIR choosing,,,,bad schools losing students will bring their educating skills up FAST....

    This guy wants to CONTROL OUR ENTIRE LIVES!!!! What happened to INDIVIDUAL CHOICE????

    More school: Obama would curtail summer vacation

    WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.

    Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.

    "Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."

    The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.

    "Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.

    Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.

    But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.

    Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.

    "I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

    Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.

    Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?

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    Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.

    "Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."

    While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.

    Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

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    Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.

    Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.

    "Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."

    In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.

    Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.

    In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics — kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.

    Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.

    Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.

    Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.

    Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.

    That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.

    Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.

    "If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.

    Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.

    The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.

    Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.

    "Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."

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    Associated Press writer Russell Contreras in Boston contributed to this report.
     
  2. Dahaub

    Dahaub Active Member

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    These longer school days and no summers have been experimented with for a lot of years. In my home town here there has been one grade school that has stayed open all year for the past 10 years. They have been doing that long enough that the junior highs and high schools can tell by the grade point averages who the kids are that live in that district. It takes getting used too but they have done it. The parents have worked around it and I don't remember when the last time I saw a letter to the editor about someone not liking it for their child. Dan
     
  3. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    If he does not get it then he has set a good base for the next guy or women.
     
  4. Trappy12

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    You've got to understand his goal of getting kids on a level playing field with the rest of the world, but the school days are not the problem. American students actually attend school longer than the Asian countries that outscore us in math and science. By around 100-150 more hours a year. The issue is the drive and will power of American students.
    -Trappy
     
  5. 682LINY

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    Trappy,,,,his aim has nothing to do with leveling the playing field,,,,do some reading that does not start with once apon a time,,,,it has to do with limiting the influnce of family on the children and maxamizing the influnce of the schools agenda,,,,
     
  6. 682LINY

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    trappy ,,,just wondering,,,have you ever been in a NY City public school???,,,My good friend was a teacher and than a princapal,,,,than a superintendent,,,,BEFORE HE WAS KILLED,,,HE WAS BEATTEN BAD ENOUGH TO BE HOSPATILIZED TWICE,,,,MISSING OVER 10 MONTHS OF WORK,,,,,and you want to try to hire teachers and tell them they dont get a break,,,,,NYC wont have a teacher go near it
     
  7. timberfaller

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    When are we going to learn, no pun intented, GET the govenment and NEA out of the classroom!!

    Gobberment has done nothing right, has no track record of achieving goals, only sulution is:

    GET THEM OUT AND AWAY FROM OUR CHRILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A "Change" that will make this a greater country!
     
  8. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    The extra days are necessary to learn the songs in praise of Obama.

    mmmm, mmmm, mmmm.

    HM
     
  9. Bisi

    Bisi TS Member

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    Halfmile, has got it right. The extra hours are needed to learn to sing the Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm song and sing the praises of national socialism.

    After Barack Nobrains Obama gets control of the health system, he will close the maternity wards in hospitals and set up birthing centers in the schools. That way after the child is born the state can take control of their "property" and start educating them to become good "Obamamites" from day one.

    God, I'm glad I'm old and am going to be dead in a few years.
     
  10. Trappy12

    Trappy12 Active Member

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    ...well gentleman I'll be happy to sell you a shelter for the sky falling, just 700 easy payments of $19.95!
    And 682, just because it says "Trappy" before and after my post, doesn't mean it's going against what you believe. Read again and you'll hopefully see that I'm speaking against the plan...
    -Trappy
     
  11. shadow

    shadow Active Member

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    We had "extended days" at the High School I attended. It was called "The Sunset Club" Misbehave and you joined automatically after the paddling. Sunset clubers got to stay and help the janitors until their work day was finished.That was usually about the time the sun went down in the evening.
     
  12. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    I don't think more class time will level the world wide academic field but there is a silver lining here. A big 'O' take away of summer vacation is bound to change new voter political leanings. Seriously, kids don't comprehend long term things like national debt and social security insolvency but they do like their time off. I know I sure did.
     
  13. Big Heap

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    This is how he will do it, according to Ronald Reagan 25 years ago.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnLa1BvtaxM
     
  14. The Stive

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    Does He want complete control? Yes He does!! John
     
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