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Do you shoot off the barrel ?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by hwy13, Aug 21, 2012.

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  1. hwy13

    hwy13 Member

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    Hello, This is just chatter amongst the troops, view points from here & there.

    We hear about not rifle shooting a shotgun & not to be guilty of bead checking, that's good advice. If you concentrate on the target, what are you seeing when it is the correct time to fire ? What tells you all is ready & the swing is in the right location ?



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    Question --- Do you shoot off the end of the barrel ? Don't use a high viz ?
    or a bright colored bead ? Don't even pay any attention to the front bead after calling " pull " What do you see in your " peripheral " Your soft
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    How do you know " NOW " We each see our own sight picture, that is the reason it is hard to describe lead to someone. Let us know your thoughts and set - up ideas.

    Good shooting to you.
     
  2. Switchblade327

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    "What tells you all is ready & the swing is in the right location ?"


    LOTS of practice with a well fitting gun, then subconscious/instinctive repetition with hard mental focus… cls
     
  3. mette56

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    If you're looking for some commonality, don't think you'll get a consistant answer. I shoot 150% high POI and cover the target. It brakes if I point over the target or under the target. Some shoot 50%/50% POI and shoot the same sight picture as I do...at about the same speed. Does the physical height of the shooter make some difference? I've asked this question since 1970 and yet to receive a satisfactory response. Good luck with your research. If you learn something...please let me know. Maybe it's all in perception...which is different among individuals as you stated above. Lock time, trigger finger position, gun movement...

    Regarding shooting off the barrel, some require that and some want a high rib to eliminate sight of the end of the barrel. It's all in perception and commanality will not be much of a determinent as it relates to your question.

    milt
     
  4. Switchblade327

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    milt, good answer. All I would add for consideration would be the difference between one eye and two eye shooters, who may see things differently. cls
     
  5. X Trap 2

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    While at a shoot my gun broke and I had to borrow a gun that was for sale. It did not fit so I had to adjust to where it would break targets. 21,25,25,25,25,25,24,25.

    I shoot off the end of the barrel and float the bird considerably. I bought the gun. It is what works best for you. You have to hold the gun so it shoots where you are looking.
     
  6. miketmx

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    Shoot off the end of the barrel means different things to different people. I shoot off the end of the barrel because there is some space between my middle and front beads as opposed to someone who has the beads in line. I use a Uni-Dot hooded fiber optic front bead to prevent occasional cross firing.
     
  7. mette56

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    SB327,

    Thanks

    ...one eyed vs. two eyed is also a part of the "individual perception variable". And that's not the end of that story. To give hwy13 a helpful answer might very well take the most scientific research on shooter perception and individual comparitive results...to date. And my guess is that the premise for that type of inductive argument for that type of study is not yet in existance. Because of the "individual perception" factor, a logical basis of hypothisis testing can not be established.

    Who knows the answer? Not me!

    milt
     
  8. Dr.Longshot

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    No I shoot flat down the rib


    Gary Bryant
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  9. SMOKEIT

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    Some shooters have an inate sense of where the barrel is relative to their hands and eyes. I read about a coach who decided to shoot each of his students guns 5 rounds to evaluate them. He shot about 15 guns and was surprised that he had not missed a single bird. Of course all these guns were set up differently but it did not matter to him. Some can break birds consistently shooting from the hip.
    I shoot off the end of the barrel. I am a one eye shooter and shooting this way prevents the gun from blocking the view of the bird better than looking straight down a rib. Different strokes for different folks....SMOKIT
     
  10. luvtrapguns

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    I look at the bird and only have a vague idea as to where the barrel is until it gets to the "right spot". The "right spot" was developed after thousands of targets and still changes occasionally. I could not begin to describe how it looks, but I know it when I see it. My gun shoots about 100% high. I have found that by holding a higher gun my gun appears to shoot flatter. The higher gun hold seems to make singles much easier, at least for me. I am a one eyed rt handed shooter with a strongly dominant left eye. For HC (27yds) I hold at the top lip of the trap house and shoot a little faster. Marc
     
  11. CalvinMD

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    Gary...what POI do you shoot?...I shoot 90% myself and float them for singles and just touch the target on caps (27yd)...also for what its worth I shoot fairly fast so the bird is still on the rise
     
  12. wolfram

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    There are many shooters that just can't believe that for some the bead and rib are just not part of the sight package when the shot is actually fired. But for those of us that do shoot that way, the disregard to the bead/rib is no different than not looking at the shooter next to you. Yes you techincally have the guy next to you in your field of vision but you aren't looking at him nor could you describe what he was doing.

    The focus is the target and nothing else.
     
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    This is a very informative, helpful discussion. Lots of good info here....

    Mike
     
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    Most importantly is to have a gun that is looking where you are looking, proper gun fit and mounting is the best answer to that, Lord Rippon who was regarded as the best shot in Graet Britton during the halycon days of the driven game shooting parties, (shooting some two and a half thousand birds in one day on occasions usind up to4 guns and 4 loaders) said when commenting about shooting technique " Always focus your eyes on the birds, never look back to check" as such you should not be aware of where the barrells or the beads are, you should simply be shooting the birds off the end of the gun, the gun at best should only be vaguely vissible in your peripheral view

    Argus
     
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    I've said this before many times.....For the last 150 YEARS all field and target shotguns come with a front bead. If nobody uses them, do you think the gun manufactures would keep putting them on?

    I see the front bead just as well as the target. Just below and out in front, pull the trigger.

    Wayne
     
  17. mallard2

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    See the bead, miss the bird.
     
  18. argus tuft

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    No I do not see the bead, my eyes are focused entirely on the bird, I think it is something the brain learns to dismiss in terms of transferring that information to me, it instead recognises a picture and automatically sends a message to my trigger finger, the only time I am aware that I have pulled the trigger is the targets I have missed, simply because I tried to take over the proceedure.

    It is something about how the brain can adapt to see what it wants to and train your musceles to do what it wants them to do.

    Perhaps another way to explain this is to go back to the days before the cataract surgery we know today, to a time when the cataract was removed and the person had to wear glasses that looked like the bottom of a coke bottle, a friend of mine had suck an opperation and after he returned home only things that were directly in front of him were straight, anything on the sides like door frames were curved in, when walking past a post , the post had a big bend in it, I said at the time , that must be a PITA, he said the specialist told him that within 6 months every thing would be normal again, and that is exactly what happened.

    So it seams that the brain can actually modify what the eyes are seeing to something that the brain wants to and or needs to see

    Argus
     
  19. Ross

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    Guess I must as I lost the front bead on my gun and didn't notice it until somebody asked me why I took it off. Ross Puls
     
  20. eightbore

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    There is a big difference between shooting "off the gun" and shooting a gun that throws the shot 100% or more above the rib. I want my gun to throw the shot somewhere near the gun. In ATA, that is somewhere above the gun, maybe a lot, but in other games, it has to be pretty close to the rib.
     
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