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Do You Care if SCTP Out Grows AIM?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Jim Porter, Mar 1, 2013.

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  1. Jim Porter

    Jim Porter Well-Known Member

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    Just wondering if the ATA general membership has an opinion about the growth potential in AIM and if the SCTP does a better selling job, what will be the long term effect on the ATA?
     
  2. James344

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    Personally, it wouldn't bother me. Of course, the local youth team my son shoots for doesn't even push AIM. They shoot in the SCTP events as schedule allows.
     
  3. Ross

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    Anything that gets & keeps the younger generation interested in the shooting sports is a good thing to keep going. Ross Puls
     
  4. The Stive

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    No it would not bother me. The SCTP program is a good place for the young
    shooters to compete. The program does a good job with the youth. John
     
  5. roger8918

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    It already has
     
  6. YOTESLAYER

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    What ever it takes to keep them shooting!!!
     
  7. himark

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    The ATA is asleep at the wheel here. They need to be pro-active with the SCTP but have to much pride to swallow.
     
  8. coot shooter

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    himark,

    The SCTP needs to realize who they are, and work with the established ATA.
    The SCTP is a fantastic concept, but needs to work with the organization that serves the shooters for the rest of their competitive lives.

    Mike Kafura
     
  9. BigBadBob

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    The SCTP already has outgrown the ATA's AIM program. They've been around more than twice as long as AIM and will still be around when AIM is gone. The only reason there is an AIM is because the ATA saw potential dollar signs. There heart is not in the AIM program and I doubt if it will ever be.

    If the ATA wants to retain these kids then they need to get serious about the AIM program. It seems to me that it was a potential moneymaker and ended up just being a bone they threw out.

    Shooting is shooting. At least there are kids getting exposed to the shooting sports.

    SCTP does not require registered targets.

    SCTP has a dress code. No open toed shoes, shirts with sleeves, etc.

    SCTP does not allow toe pads or a gun resting on a toe, period.

    SCTP was not afraid to get in bed with the Midway Foundation.

    We only shoot AIM for the added competition.
     
  10. kfen

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    The biggest obstacle for us is they shoot the National shoot so late that we are back in school. They will not move the dates.
     
  11. turmite

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    "The SCTP needs to realize who they are, and work with the established ATA. The SCTP is a fantastic concept, but needs to work with the organization that serves the shooters for the rest of their competitive lives."

    and that my friends is the attitude that causes people to not really care whether or not the new young shooters move on to the organization that will serve them......really, serve them? It sounds more like we need the new blood to help fund our shooting!

    I apologize to those ATA shooters who do care, but this kind of attitude leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of those coaches who truly care about their students!

    Mike/////from Arkansas
     
  12. himark

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    Cootshooter,

    The SCTP is growing leaps and bounds. The ATA is losing ground everyday and hitting the panic button to figure it out.

    Statistics seems the other way around.
     
  13. BigBadBob

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    Well said, turmite.

    Nail on the head, smoked target, bullseye and what ever other cliche you care to use!!!
     
  14. himark

    himark Well-Known Member

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    I have a 12.50 idea that would save the ATA...see photo
    who-moved-cheese.jpg
     
  15. Hap MecTweaks

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    As BigBadBob & Termite inferred; if ATA continues treating the "AIM" program like a red-headed step-child, it's only a matter of time to demise.

    SCTP wants and encourages youth shooting of all persuasions, AIM wants kids registering targets that fit somewhere close to their main objectives. More registered targets from anywhere without much thought.(Hence the red-headed step-child comment)

    Hap
     
  16. SilverShooter

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    My kids shoot both...and niether of them have ever asked me "dad, is this an AIM or a SCTP event?" They don't care but they would rather shoot with thier age group than with my grouchy curmudgeon friends.

    The ATA will exist until something better comes along -- it either evolves to keep up with the needs of its members or it stays the same and withers away...and AIM will go with it.
     
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    It's all about money to the ATA. and unfortunately alot of parents and kids just don't have it to spend. SCTP does not require the registered targets which helps in the overall cost but the clubs could also do more to lower those cost to keep them coming. I have seen alot of greed from the ATA in reference to both these organizations when they should be embracing both of them with all the cost reductions possible to get and keep the kids shooting!! Tim
     
  18. coot shooter

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    The SCTP does very good things for the kids, I agree, I was in this organization ..... many SCTP folks get extremely defensive when anyone critques their organization, or speaks highly of the ATA.

    My point is this ...... the SCTP provides competition for kids through their high school years, and to some degree college.

    Why would they not work to partner with the organization that provides competition for the rest of their lives?

    My understanding of the partnering venture left much to be desired from both entities, but the SCTP had a "what are you going to do for us" attitude with the ATA.

    My answer to caring if they outgrow AIM is ... "great". The more opportunities the kids have, the better. Realize this though ..... these kids will need to be involved with the ATA to continue their competitve shooting after SCTP ....
     
  19. Joe Potosky

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    Burlington man shoots to promote shotgun sports

    The face and name in booth 1722 at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Sports Show is familiar to the Wisconsin trap shooting community.

    But keeping current with Tom Wondrash's title has been as challenging as staying in front of a crossing skeet target.

    Such is life for a rapidly rising figure in the world of American shotgun sports.

    Even his employer is still working on updating Wondrash's business card.

    The front table at the Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation booth had a stack that said "Tom Wondrash, Director of Development, North Central Region."

    That is so last month.

    Wondrash, of Burlington, was recently named national director of the Scholastic Clay Target Program (SCTP).

    Though he travels the country managing programs, participants and employees, Wondrash set his schedule to be in southeastern Wisconsin this week to promote the SCTP at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Sports Show.

    The SCTP is the official youth shooting program of USA Shooting and a feeder program to the Olympic shooting sports. It has divisions for rookie (fifth graders and below, state law permitting), intermediate (grades six to eight), senior (grades nine to 12) and collegiate students.

    It offers competitions in the American disciplines of trap, skeet and sporting clays and the Olympic sports of bunker trap, doubles trap and international skeet.

    The SCTP was started in 2000 by the National Shooting Sports Foundation; it is now governed by the nonprofit Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc.

    According to its mission statement, the SCTP "is a youth development program that teaches the safe handling of firearms while at the same time developing positive life skills through the shotgun clay target sports."

    It acknowledges competition is part of the programs, "but 'win-at-all-costs' philosophy has no place in the SCTP.

    "Striving to win while playing by the rules does," according to the SCTP. "Honoring the game, exhibiting good sportsmanship and being a responsible team member are the bedrock values the SCTP strives to instill. It is the duty of everyone involved in the SCTP - coaches, parents and athletes - to set good examples for SCTP team members. Volunteers are expected to emulate and uphold high moral and ethical standards of personal conduct."

    The use of firearms demands such standards, said Wondrash, 47. The safety message is repeated each time the students handle a shotgun.

    More than 19 million Americans participate in shooting sports, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

    The popularity is lost on many in America.

    Trap and skeet are Olympic sports. Football and baseball are not.

    "The thing that I really like about shooting is the discipline and maturity it teaches," said Wondrash, who holds coaching certifications from the Amateur Trapshooting Association and the National Rifle Association. "And you don't necessarily have to be tall or fast. It allows kids to excel in something other than the typical sports."

    Gender isn't an issue, either. Female students shoot side-by-side with males.

    The SCTP began in 2000 with a handful of schools. It has spread to 44 states.

    The growth is a combination of a successful strategic plan and the inherent enjoyment of clay target shooting, Wondrash said.

    "There's an excitement and fulfillment to learning to shoot in a safe environment," Wondrash said.

    According to SCTP officials, the program enrolled 7,688 shooters in 44 states in 2011 (the last year for which full-year data are available), a 48% increase in shooters and a 25% increase in states participating in 2010.

    In Wisconsin, about 1,000 shooters from 30 clubs and schools participated in SCTP, Wondrash said. Wisconsin ranked third nationally in SCTP participation. Iowa was first with about 1,300 shooters.

    Several former SCTP participants have gone on to compete at the international level and are members of the USA Shooting Team, including Olympic gold medalist Vince Hancock.

    Wondrash has been part of the SCTP growth curve since 2004, when he helped form the Burlington High School Demons trapshooting team.

    Once the local school board approved the idea, he volunteered his time as coach and helped secure a venue at the Burlington Conservation Club.

    The Demons took second in the nation in their inaugural season and have won dozens of tournaments and one national championship in the last seven years.

    National trapshooting officials noticed and tabbed Wondrash as a regional director of development for SCTP in 2011.

    Wondrash went to work applying the Burlington template to other programs in the Midwest. The region now comprises 60% of national SCTP participation.

    In his new role as national director, he is responsible for all SCTP operations, including recruiting efforts, education programs and competitions.

    "Tom brings many years of successful team and athlete development to his new position," said SSSF executive director Dan Hathaway. "Tom will join our senior management team and we're very pleased to have him on board."

    Wondrash shakes his head as he reflects on the events since he helped form the Burlington team.

    "If you would have told me seven or eight years ago that I could be the national director of this great program I would have laughed," Wondrash said. "This is a dream job, being able to help people start new programs and get even more of our youth involved with the shooting sports."

    Wondrash said his goals are to increase participation to more than 10,000 this year and to 20,000 "in just the next couple years."

    If the recent past is any predictor of the future, he'll not only meet those goals - he'll need some new business cards, too.


    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/outdoors/burlington-man-shoots-to-promote-shotgun-sports-r1924nt-196231021.html
     
  20. roger8918

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    Hummm... coot shooter posted...<br>
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    ^but the SCTP had a "what are you going to do FOR US" attitude with the ATA.^<br>
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    ^Realize this though ..... these kids will NEED to be involved with the ATA^<br>
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    coot shooter thinks the SCTP has the FOR US attitude... That's Funny!<br>
    Ever hear of PITA, NSCA, NSSA, USAShooting?<br>
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    The only thing the kids NEED when they get older is an organization that welcomes them! Heck the SCTP added the college division because there was a need, maybe they'll add an adult division because there IS a need.
     
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