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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by halfmile, Oct 9, 2010.

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  1. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    this is way too good to pan out. I would wager these guys get stomped on severely before 2012.

    Please read the full page before commenting.

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  2. slowdp

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    The Democrat party consist of socialist. They will lie and do anything to stay in office. Get the bums out. Republicans are not much better but they do seem to honor the tried and true free enterprise system.

    Vote no to all Democrats. Vote no to anyone running for a third term when there is an alternate.

    Please God - help us save this country and help us guide it back to the path upon which it was founded.
     
  3. Recoil Sissy

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    halfmile:

    This is a joke right??

    "... support our Democratic Party conservative constitutionalist candidates".

    Conservative?? Constitutionalists?? That's a laugh. If the last couple of years has proven anything, it has proven there is no such thing as even a moderate dem. The mislabeled 'moderate dems' couldn't wait to support Odumbo's socialist crap. They fell all over themselves voting for the socialization of healthcare and the rest of Odipstick's rotten agenda.

    Conservative dems?? In your dreams. Sightings of conservative dems are every bit as common as credible sightings of the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

    Save this stuff for April fools day.

    sissy
     
  4. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    If they are seeking reform why didn't they seek it before voting on HealthCare? It's remorse, after the fact that they have been screwing us. They want want their juicy jobs. That's all. Bulge.
     
  5. halfmile

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    I suppose someone should do a check on some voting records. Your skepticizm is to be expected. As for me I'm still going "Huhhh?", "WTF?".

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  6. trinketshooter

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    Let's face it, the only reason Barack Obama was able to win the presidential election was that the majority of people in the nation couldn't tolerate, nor could our nation afford, a repeat of the "Bush Years". What we all need to do is come to the realization that at this time we cannot trust the representatives of either party. As long as they know that they are not accountable to anyone after they get elected, they will continue to lie to us to get elected. What president hasn't made many promises on the platform to get elected and then conveniently seem to forget immediately after the election? To only go back just a few years, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and now Obama. All liars. Period. To say that any of those men were great presidents, or even honorable men would be an outright lie to ourselves. As long as the two parties can keep us arguing amongst ourselves along party lines, we cannot move forward with success as a nation. With powerful lobbyists moving all the pieces on the chessboard, the majority will suffer. We argue, make accusations, and point the finger at each other with nothing for a reason than, "your a replublican", or "your a democrat", or "liberal" or "conservative". A large portion of the people(at least men) of our nation probably know alot more about football or basketball than they do politics but they are more than willing to condemn an individual based solely on political affiliation rather than reality. We're in big trouble. Neil
     
  7. stokinpls

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    A Brief History of Bush's Time
    By Randall Hoven

    The current narrative of the Bush Presidency is that it is a failure (believed by 107 of 109 historians surveyed) and that George W. Bush is the worst President in history (believed by 61% of those surveyed historians). Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said, "The president already has the mark of the American people -- he's the worst president we ever had."

    That's one narrative. I have another.

    Despite being handed one of the worst situations in history from President Clinton, and being fought tooth and nail by his opponents in government and the media, literally from the day of his election, President George W. Bush persevered to restore prosperity at home and to make the US and the world more free and secure.

    The 2000 Election and Transition to Office

    On November 7, 2000, voters went to the polls and elected George W. Bush to be President of the United States. After initially conceding defeat in a private phone call to Bush, Al Gore decided instead to contest the outcome in Florida. He sued for various recounts and was joined by the Florida Supreme Court, while Bush fought for counting votes per the rules in place prior to the election.

    Complaints that Bush "stole" the election boiled down to two: (1) we should use a method of determining the winner other than the one in the Constitution, and (2) we should use a method of determining "voter intent" other than by counting legally cast ballots per the rules in place prior to the election.

    Later recounts would show that George W. Bush would have won the election in Florida under any method considered by either Al Gore or the Florida Supreme Court.

    "The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue."

    Al Gore would not concede in public until December 13, more than a month after the election. But the Clinton administration denied the Bush team the keys to the transition office set up two blocks from the White House and waiting since November 8, until December 15. Normally a newly-elected President is provided a transition office the day after the election. George W. Bush was finally allowed to use his just 36 days before being sworn in as President, or less than half the transition time allowed other Presidents-elect.

    The Pre-Bush Situation and His First Eight Months

    A year before Bush took office, the stock market peaked and subsequently declined 8% by the end of 2000. The last four fiscal quarters under President Clinton showed steadily declining GDP growth rates of 4.8, 3.5, 2.4, and 1.9 percent, respectively. When Bush took office, the US Government was still operating under the fiscal budget signed by President Clinton, and would remain so for more than another eight months. Within six weeks of Bush being sworn in, the economy was officially in recession.

    On the defense front, President Bush was handed a smoldering crisis that had been brewing throughout President Clinton's two terms.

    The World Trade Center was bombed by Islamists in 1993, killing six and injuring 1,042. We lost 18 US Special Ops forces in Mogadishu while fighting Islamist allies of Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden declared war against the U.S. in his fatwa of 1996. The Khobar Towers used to house our servicemen in Saudi Arabia were bombed by Islamists in 1996, killing 19 US servicemen. Our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were bombed in 1998 by bin Laden supported Islamists, killing at least 223 and injuring thousands. Pakistan and India both successfully tested nuclear warheads in 1998, to the surprise of our CIA. The USS Cole was bombed in 2000 by Islamists, killing 17 US sailors. In Israel, the Oslo accords had broken down, the PLO had rejected the most generous "peace for land" deal ever offered, and the intifada was back in business by the end of 2000. Nations pursuing nuclear weapon capability (beyond Pakistan and India, who had it by 1998) were North Korea, Iran, Iraq and Libya.

    Saddam Hussein's Iraq had kicked out the UN weapons inspectors in 1998 and was in defiance of multiple UN resolutions from 1991 through 2000. Saddam's Iraq had tried to assassinate former President Bush and fired thousands of times at US and coalition forces enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations.

    Throughout this time, President Clinton's administration forbade communications between the CIA and the FBI regarding terrorists or terrorist activities. Clinton withdrew US forces from Somalia shortly after the Mogadishu incident. And he treated the terrorist incidents as crimes to be dealt with by our legal system.

    When he did send missiles into Iraq, he made sure it was at night so no one would get hurt. According to the Washington Post,

    "Clinton ordered the attack Friday, but the raid was delayed a day so it would not fall on the Muslim sabbath... The missiles struck late at night -- between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m. Baghdad time -- because Clinton wished to minimize possible deaths of innocent civilians."

    I'm thinking a strike at 2 am would also minimize possible deaths of guilty Baathists.

    On September 11, 2001, or less than eight months after President Bush took office, Islamist terrorists perpetrated the worst attack by foreigners on US soil since the burning of Washington, DC, in 1812, killing almost 3,000 civilians. The attackers had been planning and preparing it for five years.

    That was President Bush's welcome to office. A recession within two months. The 9/11 attacks within eight months. And an Iraq in continual defiance of its terms of surrender, multiple UN resolutions and WMD inspectors. And this after being given only half the transition time as usual.

    The Following Seven Years

    By November 2001 the recession was officially over, just one month under Bush's own budget, weeks after 9/11 and just 10 months into a Bush Presidency. It was an historically short and shallow recession. From 2003 through 2006, all under President Bush and a Republican Congress, real GDP grew over 3% per year, considered a healthy and sustainable pace. By early 2008, the real economy had grown about 20% since Bush took office. Since President Bush took office, the economy has grown in every single fiscal quarter; there has been no quarter of negative real growth.

    Are you better off now than you were eight years ago? If you are anywhere near average, yes. Personal, disposable, inflation-adjusted income grew 9% in the first six years under Bush. Since Bush has been President, the unemployment rate has remained under 6.3% and averaged 5.2% (In Clinton's eight years it remained under 7.3% and also averaged 5.2%.)

    On the foreign front, President Bush used "aggressive diplomacy" to convince Pakistan to support us in fighting against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban and to allow us insight into the status of its nuclear weapons. India, the other new member of the nuclear club, remained on good terms with us throughout.

    President Bush, with Congressional support, our NATO allies and our first-rate military, freed the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban warlords, helped install a democracy there, captured or killed hundreds of al Qaida there and drove those remaining, probably including Osama bin Laden and his top commanders, to remote mountains and caves. By also cutting off funding sources and communications channels, al Qaida appears to have been rendered ineffective as a coordinated network of terrorists under any kind of effective command and control. It's possible ad hoc "cells" of those sympathetic to al Qaida might still do some damage on US soil, but none have so far.

    President Bush, with large and bipartisan majorities in both houses of Congress, support from more than 45 countries and our first-rate military, freed the people of Iraq from Saddam Hussein, helped install a democracy there, and captured or killed hundreds of al Qaida, radical Islamists and other terrorists there. Saddam's WMD capabilities, programs and remaining weapons were removed from an outlaw regime. I have written elsewhere on the justification of the Iraq war, which was supported by both pre-war and post-war intelligence.

    President Bush, with diplomacy, the example of Iraq and the assistance of foreign allies, convinced Libya to cease its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

    President Bush, using diplomacy and working with China, Japan and South Korea, appears to have reached a breakthrough with North Korea, getting it to dismantle its plutonium creating sites and to allow intrusive inspections. While this all needs to be finalized and verified, such progress illustrates President Bush's skill at effective diplomacy - one that has real results, not paper promises quickly broken and never verified.

    Iran is still a problem, but even there President Bush is waging diplomacy in concert with our allies and the United Nations.

    In short, all the new and major WMD proliferation threats were dealt with one way or another: Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Libya. They are not all put to rest, but about three-and-a-half of the five biggies appear to have been dealt with sufficiently. And terrorists, even those inside Iraq and Afghanistan at this point, seem to be kept at bay for now as well.

    I think these are tremendous achievements, and ones that would not have occurred under either a President Gore or President Kerry.

    But what have been the costs? In dollars, defense spending has gone from 3% of GDP to 4%. That's it -- a level that is still below where it was for over 50 years, from World War II through 1994.

    In US lives, 4,147 servicemen lost their lives due to hostile or non-hostile action in Iraq to date. Each lost life is a tragedy, and I am deeply grateful to our lost troops and their families. From 2001 to 2006, the worst year for active military duty deaths was 2005, with 1,941 deaths due to all causes. In 1980, President Carter's last year, there were 2,392 such deaths in a larger military establishment. Each year in which we had troops engaged in both Iraq and Afghanistan saw fewer US military deaths than any year from 1980 through 1987, all years without major conflicts. The major conflicts of World War II, Korea and Vietnam had 405,399, 36,574, and 58,209 fatalities, respectively.

    Judging A President

    "However tempting it might be to some, when much trouble lies ahead, to step aside adroitly and put someone else up to take the blows, I do not intend to take that cowardly course, but, on the contrary, to stand to my post and persevere in accordance with my duty as I see it."

    If we use these words of Winston Churchill to judge our presidents, did President Bush "step aside adroitly" or did he stand his post and "persevere"? He has surely taken the blows.
     
  8. trinketshooter

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    stokinpls, even though you may agree with everything in your post, maybe you should try to express yourself in your own words rather than just copy and pasting them from Americanthinker.com. I know that I would personally have alot more respect for your post.
    Neil Swenson,
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  9. The Rock

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    "miss me yet?"

    HELL YES.

    Rock

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  10. stokinpls

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    Liberal socialist Democrats: You can trust them with anything.
     
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    Neil, I'd rather read a cut and paste from the American Thinker than listen to or read the idiotic IT'S BUSH'S FAULT mantra over and over and over and over ad infinitum ad nauseum.
     
  12. Model Number 12

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    Conservative, Constitutional Democrat? I wasn't aware that such a political description existed, at least based on the behavior and voting records of recent history. While I'm thinking about it, this could apply to some Republicans as well. At least the voters have seen through their B.S. and removed the R.I.N.O.'s in the primaries.
     
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    Neil, you didn't have to read what stok posted so stop with the whining. At least he credited the author of the piece which many here don't do, instead trying to take credit for it themselves.
     
  14. trinketshooter

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    The main thing that I would like to see out of the supporters of both parties is to pull their heads out of the sand long enough to realize that both parties got us where we are now and neither by itself will get us out of the situation we are in now. Shelly, call it whining if you want but everything found on Americanthinker.com, an obviously republican leaning site, could be countered by copying and pasting from a democrat leaning site, and neither you nor I could really prove who's right or wrong, and truthfully they both would probably be partially true. Clinton lied about sex with Monica and George lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction. Which one of those cost more lives and money? Hmm? In the political climate of these days, the "truth" may not always be the truth or what we would like it to be. I think that they're all liars and that to blindly follow either party like the Pied Piper is very foolish. Neil
     
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    Sorry Neil, I didn't realize you were one of those "Bush lied, people died" bozos. I don't blame you for being upset, knowing that your progressive/socialist pals are going to bet their butts handed to them in a few weeks. Maybe you should try copying and pasting some of Obummer's brilliant statements like "The cops acted stupidly".
     
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    The rest of use hate both parties. Both have so paralyzed each other that neither can function. When one side has control of everything, they perform poorly, but have no one to blame. Both sides have taken us there with the same results. We get the "dems has the house for 2 years" and that is why this happened, or the republican had this or that. However stop and listen, you don't hear about any person, only a party, we have taken people out of it, we could just as well vote for a dem or republican rock, they will simply vote what their party says anyway. We will never do anything great as a nation with our current political system, we simply can't, it's like a 2 headed snake fighting each other all the time, no time to work together for the survival of the snake, at some point the snake will die, doesn't matter who wins the fight if you loose the war.
     
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    trinketshooter, Clinton decided to let Bin Ladin and Al Quaeda go when the USS Cole was bombed.

    3 thousand Americans died on 9/11. And Slick Willy got to stain the blue dress.

    Which of these indeed cost us more?

    If you want to have hindsight let it be 20-20, not just the convenience of recent history.

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    Neil, you accuse "W" of lying about weapons of mass destruction. I submit that you and other Dems. that have been blowing hot air on the subject for years have no credible evidence of the charge. At the time every leader, every intelligence agency and particularly, every Dem. on the hill believed Iraq had these weapons of mass destruction because they had used them on the Iranians and their own people. I suggest you stop drinking the Dem. Cool-aid and take a walk in the light.

    Buz
     
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    5 thousand kurds had direct evidence of the WMD.

    Too bad they aren't around to testify.

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    Well Shelly, I didn't realize that you were stupid, either, but I was apparently mistaken. As far as me being one of the "Bush lied, people died bozos", I would absolutely like to be included in that group. I voted for McCain/Palin but still do know a lie when I read one in the paper and see it on the national news. We can pretend that it isn't true but denial doesn't change the facts. Bush did lie and alot of people have died. Obviously a fact. Clinton lied, too. Another fact. Both of these facts are just two examples of the too many lies told to us by both parties. The American people should be collectively outraged by these actions but still we like to point the finger at each other along party lines. Ridiculous. I refuse to deny the truth simply because I have been betrayed by someone that I thought I could trust. I believe that you have missed my point, which I guess would go back to my point of you being stupid. You are definitely entitled to follow your choice of parties like a sheep if you so choose, which you have apparently chosen to do. I do hope that you will someday allow yourself to be a free thinker. The truth will set you free. Neil
     
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