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Diplomas denied to HS Grad because Cheering.

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Gargoyle!, Jun 2, 2007.

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  1. Gargoyle!

    Gargoyle! TS Member

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    This is in Galesburg Ill. Galesburg HS denied diplomas to five students one who had a grade av of 3.4 because their parents and friends cheered and when they came on to the stage. That is part of a graduation. What is going on there? That to me is like you are not allowed to cheer at a football game when a touchdown is made. Someone did get thrown out of the event because they had an airhorn. OK I agree an airhorn was going to far and I would have thrown them out also but clapping and cheering is just part of the event.
     
  2. Duck

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    Well Garg, I'm with you on this one!. My guess is the student's were forewarned about vocalization from family + friend's. But I would have cheered, jeered, whistled anyway!.
     
  3. mobear

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    In the articles about this it is stated that it has been policy for about 4 years, and that starting up to a month beforehand, students and parents were warned about cheering during the individual acceptance, and if it happened, the student would not get their diploma.

    This is understandable to have this for large graduating classes, as some people can be very disruptive during these events.

    On top of all of it they knew the rules, ignored them, and now bitch about the consequences.
     
  4. ArmySGM

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    I agree with the statements above, but the families had to sign a contract stating they would not cheer. That's fine, but how do you stop the friends and everyone else from cheering?
     
  5. redhawk44

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    Personaly I think it is bullshit to deny a student a diploma after he has taken the required courses and received passing grades.

    Who owns the schools anyway?

    This school administration is acting like they are the Pope or something. The schools are paid for and maintained by the parents of the students so that they can get an education.

    To deny a diploma after the fact is a gross abuse of their authority. The administration who made such a rule should be fired, but I suppose the teachers union wouldn't stand for that.

    If they made a rule that anyone who cheered, thereby interfering with the handing out cerimony, would be escorted off the property, it might be understandable, but to punish a student for something that they didn't DO is baloney.....
     
  6. markdenis

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    It is all by design.

    1. Student unjustly denied diploma

    2. Parent hires Lawyer

    3. Student gets Diploma

    4. Lawyer gets money for something that should never have happened in the first place

    5. Back to normal until some other idiot comes up with brilliant rule

    6. Everything starts right back over again

    MR
     
  7. Catpower

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    It seems this is the way it's going in this country anymore,they give some asshole a little power, and they have to take it as far as they can, and it seems they love to make everyone's life as miserable as they can, just to stimulate their newly empowered ego.

    Graduation had always been a somber event when I was younger, in '78 my sister graduated college to be a nurse, when she walked across the stage, my brothers and I whistled and yelled it's about time etc, she was very embarrassed, then everybody started doing it, it turned into a celebration, and that's what it should be. But it ends up that you have some old wrinked "educator" dictating policy that is bitter because they don't think they are getting paid enough for the job they decided 30 yrs ago they wanted when they were bitching about it not paying enough.
     
  8. Gargoyle!

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    I read a post that basicly said that the school had the right to do so. The student did their job and got all credits to walk the stage. How are they going to control the people that are watching the event? To say OH THATS THE RULES is nothing but bull shit. So what if a rule is made. I will have to look at it and say who does it benifit?(sp) If it just benifits the teachers and not the students and the guests then its a bad rule. I do hope that the students and parents sue the hell out of the school just to teach them a good lesson.
     
  9. Bob M

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    It sounds like this was a district policy, and teachers have little control over that. That is the area for the School Board and the Administration to decide. It sounds extreme and a little foolish, but the district in question may have had severe crowd problems before and somebody showed up at a board meeting.

    There is a district near me that has problems with beach balls, pool toys, and inflatable sex dolls showing up at the graduations. This goes on while the student speeches are going on, when the minister is giving the invocation, and sometimes during the Pledge of Allegiance.

    In the district where I teach, we have problems with the crowd sometimes. Somebody cheers, then somebody has an air horn, then the firecrackers pop, then the M-80s go. It can get out of hand pretty fast. If you were the parent who misses hearing your son or daughter's name being read because some idiot has an air horn, how would that make you feel? This sounds like a policy generated by someone who got a butt-chewing by a Board member or an irate parent. Seems very knee-jerk.

    I bet the students will get their diplomas anyway. I don't think that is a fight that the district can win.
     
  10. Bob M

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    From FoxNews.com

    School officials in Galesburg, a working-class town of 34,000 that is still reeling from the 2004 shutdown of a 1,600-employee refrigerator factory, said the get-tough policy followed a 2005 commencement where hoots, hollers and even air horns drowned out much of the ceremony and nearly touched off fights in the audience when the unruly were asked to quiet down.

    "Lots of parents complained that they could not hear their own child's name called," said Joel Estes, Galesburg's assistant superintendent. "And I think that led us to saying we have to do something about this to restore some dignity and honor to the ceremony so that everyone can appreciate it and enjoy it."

    In Indianapolis, public school officials this year started kicking out parents and relatives who cheer. At one school, the superintendent interrupted last month's graduation to order police to remove a woman from the gymnasium.

    "It's an important, solemn occasion. There's plenty of time for celebration before and after," said Clarke Campbell, president of the Indianapolis school board.

    In Galesburg, the issue has taken on added controversy with accusations that the students were targeted because of their race: four are black and one is Hispanic. Parents say cheers also erupted for white students, and none of them was denied a diploma.

    Principal Tom Chiles said administrators who monitored the more than 2,000-seat auditorium reported only disruptions they considered "significant," and all turned in the same five names.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277118,00.html




    The kids can get their diplomas if they do 8 hours of community service.
     
  11. j2jake

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    At the last couple of graduations I attended the administrators were PLEADING with the attendees not to make noise/applause ect. when their family /friends name were called. They should have pissed into a fan for all the good it did. I call it the "selective obedience" mode. Have the rules that benefit me enforced and get mad when I'm disrespected. When it's my turn to be the victim it's no big deal, BULL FRITTERS! It is time for people to be responsible for their actions. The students who had their diplomas held up should be mad as the dickens at the ones who caused the action not the enforcers. I applaud the administrators who had the conviction to do what they said they would do. Just an example of what is fun for one is not so fun for the other. Jake
     
  12. tlea

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    First of all, the kids will get their diplomas. School cannot prevent that. They completed the requirements for graduation and graduated on time (vs too early). Schools can elect not to issue diplomas after the completion of the junior year, even if the kid completes graduation requirements. Usually have them wait till the middle of their senior year.

    Been involved in Illinois education 34 years and as far as I know the school cannot assign community service. They can suspend the kids and ask that the suspension be served after the graduation ceremony, and offer the kids an alternative to sitting in a suspension area, but community service is doled out by the court system.

    Even if the kids are technically suspended, they'll still get their diplomas even if they don't serve the suspension. NO sane school system would take that one on. It effects college, future employment, etc. Schools tell kids they can do it so the kids will serve the suspension.

    Most they can do is not present the diplomas at the graduation ceremony. The kids usually have to go back to the school to get them. But: as soon as anyone authorized requests transcripts or diplomas if necessary, they'll get them as usual.
     
  13. Bob M

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    I was quoting the news report about the community service. I liked the fact that one girl said if she didn't win her appeal, she would let the district keep the diploma.
     
  14. j2jake

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    Bob M, wish I understood you position, you must be one of those who chooses the "selective obedience" route. Jake
     
  15. grammie

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    Makes you think don't it??????

    I mean,,,,,,,,An american kid denied what he has worked for 12 years!!!!!

    But let an Illegal Mexican or other stand and cheer,,march in the streets demanding,,,,,and they are awarded citizenship without working at all!!!!!

    That same american kid denied a diploma will be the same one who's money will be taken to feed,house,educate,innoculate the illegals,,and it will be the same kid who's job will be outsourced for profit to a third world country!!!!

    A new level,,,,a new plateau of intelligence has been reached.............

    AKA Grammie...........
     
  16. j2jake

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    Careful Garammie you are starting to make sense! On this subject you speak the truth. Jake
     
  17. Brian in Oregon

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    Uh oh, Bob M, you just posted copyrighted material, and now you have to answer to the self-appointed ts.com copyright enforcement police. Neil should be along monentarily to summon you to justice.
     
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    I've been a HS teacher for almost 2 decades now and I'm siding with the school on this one. We strive to make graduation a solemn event, wrapped in dignity and honor. What happens is that some families want to turn it into a hoe-down, each trying to out cheer the other with whistles, catcalls, bells, you name it. It's bad enough to have families show up in shorts and flip-flops but when you and the stadium behavior it really detracts from the solemn nature of the event.

    The parents were warned and chose to break the rules. If you have rules, you must enforce all of them all of the time or none of them all of the time. Anything less is both capricious and unjust. It seems that we are forgetting how to behave in formal settings as of late. That's sad, really sad because it tends to cheapen life and detract from the sacred while advancing the vulgar and profane. That's my $.02
     
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    Whats' next??? one week's expulsion for any student caught smiling in the hall??...It would appear that "Big Brother" is alive an well in the ranks of school administrators...I had a couple of teachers that went to great lengths to take any fun and enjoyment out of the learning process....they died uphappy joyless wretches...and they desearved too!!
     
  20. Dave P

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    I personally believe the students should and will get their diplomas. Several years ago my daughter graduated from Western Illinois Univ. On graduation day we got stuck behind a ton of black parents/friends or whatever. The same type shit happened and we listened and watched that crap for over three hours. Personally I feel the disrupters should be escorted out promptly. This is not intended to be racist but the way they acted are facts!!!!!!!!
     
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