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Dillon SL 900 ShotShell Reloader Problem

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  1. BLKPOTSHOOTER

    BLKPOTSHOOTER TS Member

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    Recently I asked the manufacturer of my shotshell reloader to help me discover why the Shot shells I reloaded on their product (reloader) was concaving the brass face/head around the primer pockets.

    What I would like the board to comment on is whether: 1) you have used CCI 209 primers, 2) if so, what reloading machine are you using, what hulls and do you use CCI 209 primers only after you have reloaded the hull a few times with other brands of 209 primers, or use it for 1st time reloads.

    Thanks-in-Advance for your feed-back.

    Here is a copy of the email dialog between their support team and myself.


    No problem.

    Thank you,
    Dillon Precision Products, Inc.
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    Phones are open from 7 am MST till 6 pm MST (no daylight savings time in AZ!)
    And Saturday from 8 am to 3 pm MST.

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    Showroom hours: Monday – Friday 9 am to 6 pm MST
    And Saturday 8 am to 3 pm

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    ________________________________________
    From: Phillip McMillan [mailto:ptmcmillanis@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:36 PM
    To: Dillon
    Subject: Re: SL 900

    I'm going to forward your answer to CCI Primers and post it on a few Shotgun Shooting boards see what they think of your answer.

    Thank you for your opinion, Dillon

    Phillip McMillan

    From: Dillon
    Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:04 PM
    To: 'Phillip McMillan'
    Subject: RE: SL 900


    CCI primers are typically slightly larger in diameter than Winchester, Remington and Federal primers. Not a machine problem. Most loaders use Remington or Winchester primers that first few loadings. As primer pockets wear. Change to CCI to get several more reloads out of the cases.

    Thank you,
    Dillon Precision Products, Inc.
    ***************************************************************************************
    PLEASE LEAVE ALL PREVIOUS MESSAGES
    AS WE NEED THEM FOR OUR REPLY
    ***************************************************************************************
    Phones are open from 7 am MST till 6 pm MST (no daylight savings time in AZ!)
    And Saturday from 8 am to 3 pm MST.

    Orders/Expert Assistance: 800-223-4570
    Fax #: 480-998-2786

    Showroom hours: Monday – Friday 9 am to 6 pm MST
    And Saturday 8 am to 3 pm

    Visit us on the Web at www.DillonPrecision.com


    ________________________________________
    From: Phillip McMillan [mailto:ptmcmillanis@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:02 PM
    To: Dillon
    Subject: Re: SL 900

    Larger in diameter; What are they larger than? I've been loading this same load with CCI primers for more than 5 years on different reloading machines and have never had a problem with the primers causing the shell face to concave until I started loading it on my Dillon SL 900. Are you saying that this is a known problem with CCI 209 shotshell primers and the Dillon SL 900? Or are you saying the problem is with the CCI 209 Shotshell primers.

    From: Dillon
    Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:39 PM
    To: 'Phillip McMillan'
    Subject: RE: SL 900

    In our experience, CCI shotgun primers are .001” - .004” larger in diameter, require more effort to seat. Measure the primer diameters.

    Thank you,
    Dillon Precision Products, Inc.
    ***************************************************************************************
    PLEASE LEAVE ALL PREVIOUS MESSAGES
    AS WE NEED THEM FOR OUR REPLY
    ***************************************************************************************
    Phones are open from 7 am MST till 6 pm MST (no daylight savings time in AZ!)
    And Saturday from 8 am to 3 pm MST.

    Orders/Expert Assistance: 800-223-4570
    Fax #: 480-998-2786

    Showroom hours: Monday – Friday 9 am to 6 pm MST
    And Saturday 8 am to 3 pm

    Visit us on the Web at www.DillonPrecision.com


    ________________________________________
    From: Phillip McMillan [mailto:ptmcmillanis@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:22 PM
    To: tech@dillonprecision.com
    Subject: SL 900

    Hello Dillon Family,

    Recently I have been experiencing an increasing amount of shotshell that are misfiring. I first suspected a problem with the firearm. After more troubleshooting I discovered that when the primer gets pushed into primer pocket/opening, it causes the brass face to become slightly concaved. Which causes the firing to lightly dimple the primer. How can I remedy this problem?



    Hull Type: 12GA.
    Federal Gold Medal Paper

    Primer:
    CCI M


    Method of discovery:

    I used a straight edge and a feeler gauge on 100 once fired hulls. (Still had Federal Factory Primer)
    I made sure all of the hulls for the test had flat faces. After de-primering, I once again examined them for flatness.
    I then reloaded the 100 shotshell.
    Re-examined with straight edge and feeler gauge, 40% of the loaded shells were concaved.


    Things I've looked into that could cause this problem:

    Were some of the primers ODs larger than others? Were some of the primer pockets smaller than others? I did not find any primers nor shotshells with non standard ODs or Openings
    Was there any debris on or under shellplate? None found.
    Was there any adjustment for primer depth? None found.



    Thanks
    PT McMillan
     
  2. nipper

    nipper TS Member

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    sounds to me like a primer seating debth problem

    bill
     
  3. BLKPOTSHOOTER

    BLKPOTSHOOTER TS Member

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    You're right Bill, it is a primer depth problem, with no adjustment for primer depth. There are two rods that have springs and plastic wing nuts that help to control the pressure that many be applied to the handle on the primer setting stage, however it is not a positive stop due to the spring action.

    straightshooter1, are you reloading plastic hulls or paper hulls? I'm reloading paper hulls, I do not have the problem with plastic hulls, they load fine with any primer... just the paper hulls.

    Thanks for your input

    PM
     
  4. BLKPOTSHOOTER

    BLKPOTSHOOTER TS Member

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    Response for CCI Primers

    RE: CCI.com - Ask CCI Form

    Phillip: not sure that I'm going to answer as many questions as I'm
    going to ask, but here goes.

    If you're loading older CCI primers, those that have a flat primer and
    the battery-cup necked down, then we could have one problem, they have a
    0.024 Radius. If you are loading primers that are pre-2002 they had a
    0.010 Radius, if post-2002, they now have a 0.032 Radius. That is at
    the curve near the bottom of the primer where it meets the case head for
    the Radius information, if that does not match the hull closely, it can
    dome the case upward when appeared to be seated to the proper depth.
    Try seating them using less pressure and not as deep.

    If the Dillon press seats the primer with upward pressure (vice a MEC
    where it is downward) then you can deform the hull by having it
    maladjusted and or seating the primer too deep. I have had the same
    problem with a Ponseness-Warren press. The bad news there is that the
    hulls are worthless and I was sure that I was rid of them all only to
    find one in a batch of cases every-once-in-a-while, what a pain that is
    getting them out of the system. Adjust the primer mechanism, if
    applicable.

    As a general comment, CCI never made shot shell primers for a Speer/CCI
    shot shell product of our own. They were always made for the reloader,
    so for once or more fired cases. They would have been made to the
    larger side of Industry Specification, to fit the used hull. It too had
    the neck down in the cup to assist proper seating (now removed) and the
    flat primer for increased sweet-spot size (now gone too). Try the
    primers in a STS or Double A case and/or try Federal primers in their
    cases and see the result.

    I saw in the email you were using "CCI M", would that be a CCI 209 M?
    If so, are these field loads or target? Most often, the 209 M would
    only be used in heavy field loads. Use a tested loads for your loading
    and don't substitute components.

    Yes, the dome of the case upward can cause primer failures. However, if
    this is an over/under gun, many have the bottom barrel firing pins at an
    angle and they can get distressed. Have you tried firing the failed
    round in the top barrel? Does it fire? If so, check your lower barrel
    firing pin, a common problem in Browning and others as the bottom barrel
    generally takes the most use.

    Did I miss answering your questions? Do you understand mine? A Lot #
    from the 100 count box would assist me in telling you the vintage of
    your primers.

    Shoot Straight!
    Coy Getman
    2299 Snake River Ave.
    Lewiston, ID 83501
    Sr. Technical Coordinator
    (800) 627-3640 ext 5351
     
  5. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

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    Change to WW209 or Cheddites. I've loded 10's of thousands on my two Dillon SL900's, and never had any problem at all. As a mattter of fact, about the only problem I've ever had is a primer not droping once in a while. Keep the machine well lubed.
     
  6. Gavin

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    BLKPOTSHOOTER

    I've used my Dillon for the past 9 yrs and have not experienced the problem that you are having. I use Win AA hull, Win 209 Primer or a Cheddite, Green Duster 1 oz wad, and Alliant Amer Select powder--exact powder drops are on the Alliant web page for the 1 oz, 1200 fps load. I hope this helps you.

    Good Shooting

    Gavin
     
  7. Gavin

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    BLKPOTSHOOTER

    I've used my Dillon for the past 9 yrs and have not experienced the problem that you are having. I use Win AA hull, Win 209 Primer or a Cheddite, Green Duster 1 oz wad, and Alliant Amer Select powder--exact powder drops are on the Alliant web page for the 1 oz, 1200 fps load. I hope this helps you.

    Good Shooting

    Gavin
     
  8. Gavin

    Gavin Active Member

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    BLKPOTSHOOTER

    I've used my Dillon for the past 9 yrs and have not experienced the problem that you are having. I use Win AA hull, Win 209 Primer or a Cheddite, Green Duster 1 oz wad, and Alliant Amer Select powder--exact powder drops are on the Alliant web page for the 1 oz, 1200 fps load. I hope this helps you.

    Good Shooting

    Gavin
     
  9. BLKPOTSHOOTER

    BLKPOTSHOOTER TS Member

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    Thanks everyone... It seems the problem is in the manner the primer is pushed into the primer pocket without any oposing downward force. In plastic hulls the plastic helps form the base of the hull, making it stiffer than a hull that has a rolled paper base. Just to be clear here, the concaving is not detectable to the eye without using a straight edge, I'm going to use a feeler gauge again and record the exact amount of gap between the rim and at the center where the primer is. I made a primer depth adjustment and added it to both down rods, it limits the distance the handle can be pushed back in the priming stage... Loaded 200 rounds not one misfire... Now I can concentrate on the target and not be wondering if the shell will fire!!

    Thanks Again
    Phil McMillan
     
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