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Different gauges, same powder and primer?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by GrandpasArms, Jul 5, 2012.

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  1. GrandpasArms

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    I want to reload 12 gauge (pick ONE:3/4, 7/8, or 1 ounce) and 28 gauge (3/4 ounce) hulls, using the SAME powder and primer. The 28 gauge hulls are AAHS. The 12 gauge could be anything reasonable. Can someone suggest load data that can achieve this? I’ve been thumbing the Aliant material and the variations are cramping my brain. I merely want a standard load for 2 gauges that won’t require me to hassle with swapping out primers and powder. For space considerations, I have to stay with ONE machine (PW 800+).

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  2. short shucker

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    It ain't gonna happen!

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  3. chuckie68

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    You can do it with green dot.

    I'm loading 11.5 - 12.5gr Grn Dot in 28 ga. Win 209 primer, 3/4oz. #9's Remington or AA hulls. Using in an 1100LW 28ga. No ill effects and NO SIGNS OF EXCESSIVE PRESSURE. Like way oversize brass or blown primers etc.

    I'm sure there are loads with Grn Dot for 12ga.

    Chuck
     
  4. sixten38

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    Green dot is the one, I use it for 1 oz 12ga, 3/4 oz 20 ga and for 28ga, all published loads on the Alliant site.
     
  5. StansCustoms

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    Hodgdon Universal will load 28 and 12 gauge.... Just don't remember the pressures. I suggest you call Hodgdon.

    Universal would be a good 1st choice in 28 gauge and second choice in 12 gauge....Hodgdon Clays being a better 1st choice in 12 gauge.

    .... according to some old notes I have from one of the techs at Hodgdon, using Winchester primers and wads.

    Stan...
     
  6. wolfram

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    The primer part is easy - just pick one.

    You might get by with trying to make one powder do it it all but why? One of the reasons for handloading is to make superior quality ammo and that means optimizing the components to the application. An example of this is to use a fairly fast burning powder like Clays or Red Dot in the 7/8 Oz - 1 Oz 12 guage loads and then a much slower powder like Universal Clays or 20/28 in the 28 gauge.

    its not like your going to save any real money by just using one powder so why compromize on performance and get outside the recommended operating pressure range?
     
  7. Dr.Longshot

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    Look at Alliant 20/28 powder in Winchester 12 ga and winchester 28 ga loading data


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    You could do it with FFFG black powder. JW
     
  9. GrandpasArms

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    Thanks, Gary. I hadn't looked at 1 1/8 thinking they'd be thumpers. However, the reported psi is low but still offering 1200 fps.

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  10. goatskin

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    Larry, 'tis a piece of cake: PB. Hodgdon has published loads for PB from 28ga to 10ga, and I have used it in a 32ga and "light" 8bore.

    Alliant's 20/28 will stretch, too, with published loads.

    Green Dot tends to get a little pressury, and, in fact has been a culprit in cracking 20ga tubes.

    Bob
     
  11. MDMike

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    The only thing I have found that will properly interchange between the two gauges without compromising performance is 209 primers. I use Clays, International and Universal in 12 ga., Longshot and International in 20 ga. and ProReach in 28. That being said I load for two different games, trap and sporting. The International and Clays for trap while the Universal @ 1300 for sporting. 20 ga. gets Longshot for 1300 fps sporting and 28 ga gets ProReach for 1300 fps sporting. I too wish one powder would do it all however, I have never experimented with PB like others on here have suggested. Hope this helps, Mike.....
     
  12. Setterman

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    20/28 will work, but your pressures with 1 1/8oz 12 ga. 1200 fps loads is very low. I've also found that 20/28 takes a larger bushing than Longshot for the 28 gauge HSAA hull which affects crimps. It will work , but I prefer Longshot.
     
  13. shadow

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    Unique should do the trick.Maybe not the very best choice, but it should work.
     
  14. oz

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    That's what the reloading manuals are for....BUY ONE.
     
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