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Did The President Really Order the Kill of Osama

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  1. shooterIII

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    This was copied from the above website: The picture referred to I could not get to copy but it is on the website and is the one that is shown on TV and in the papers.



    Passed along as received.

    Of course no one knows what to believe anymore the way we are consistently lied to. With the initial contradictory news releases from the White House there were many different versions as to what took place so this would not surprise me one bit.

    No one has really brought up this version. It's especially interesting when you look at the pictures from the "Situation room" Obama did look like he could have just come off the golf course and surely (based on pictures) did not look like he was running the show as they stated.





    PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? Now THIS is believable!
    This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is devastating if true.! And I for one would bet it is.! !


    "What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."

    Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

    A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.



    (Notice that Panetta is NOT in the room)

    This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.



    I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

    Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?

    A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

    What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

    This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation at this point, was in effect, unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it was already underway. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the “situation room” where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

    At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

    In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.

    This info has been copied from:

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
     
  2. W.P.T.

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    This should be of no surprise to anyone, the Absentee President hard not at work again ... It take "cojones" tp pull something like that off, so you had to know Obama didn't have anything to do with it ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  3. shooterIII

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    Also the constant reference to Valerie Jarrett calling the shots rings true also as she is the one that controlled Obama in Chicago.
     
  4. dverna

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    There is a larger problem than Obama's apparent lack of leadership.

    My supposition is that military officers are bound to obey lawful orders. They cannot "over rule" the President. This cannot be condoned.

    Petraeus could have resigned in disgust but I doubt he would act counter to the direction of the Commander in Chief.

    I therefore find this report a "story".

    Part of me hopes it is true and that Obama can be proven to be unworthy to lead. But if it is true, I fear for our country. A "coup" led by military and intelligence leaders is not "American". Where is the boundary of what "they" will decide what is best for the country?

    Don Verna
     
  5. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    I would welcome a military coup based on them restoring the constitution and ridding our Government of the extreme liberals, then turning it back over to the people. Bulge.
     
  6. TOOLMAKER 251

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    I posted in another thread that no one in that compound should have lived, even the children. There's a chance anyone of osama's children in that compound will take up their fathers cause 10 years from now. The 12 year old daughter that witnessed daddy being shot reported he was unarmed. He should have armed himself if he wanted to kill us Americans. The world court may decide we used excessive force and try to point fingers at the seal team, just like the asshole holder trying to prosecute the CIA agents who waterboarded that hairy bastard. If it wasn't for that waterboarding we might still be looking for ubl.
     
  7. Twinbirds

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    Is this the kind of people we have become? You had better look long and hard at the above post. You have become what you just killed. If anyone choses to be a threat they should be dealt with at that time, not because of their genetics. Killing children is just wrong. I wish they would have sprayed him pig lard and then put him to death after being charged with his crimes. This way was too easy.
     
  8. Stl Flyn

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    Well said Don,

    Who stated?

    Who told?

    ALL HEARSAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This informant, or political insider, was not in any of the classifed itelligence meetings. I can guarantee you there was no one that would give this information out, that was in those meetings. Its all political B.S.. There may be some facts, but they are all construed as political rhetoric.

    To say that the command to act, did not come from the Commander in Chief, the President, is absolutely absurd (Corrected). Any action by the Military without the Presidents knowledge, is against the law. Even if President Obama did not know of these actions, there would be very serious consequences for those starting at the first person that gave the command to act, whether President Obama said that is fine, or not.

    Prime example of political rhetoric, posted by a political forum, for all of the radicals to pat each other on the back and hope for failer of the President, so that they can say I told you so. That is great for this country. NOT.

    You people are so caught up in hoping this President fails, that you do not seem to understand that if this President, or any other President fails, this country fails.

    Radicalism, and extreme views both right and left is what is killing this country, not the President. It seems to me that most statements and views posted in this political area, are more for the benefit of the poster than for the country, or anything else.

    Let the name calling, and political bashing continue! I can't wait.
     
  9. W.P.T.

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    Personally, I don't care who or how many they had to kill to get to Osama bin Laden ... He put no value on the lives of the people in the twin towers and anyone around him would of been considered calateral damage in my book ... This was one of those times where there was no room for error so Kill them all and let God sort them out ... I'm just glad the dog didn't get hurt during the invasion ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  10. wolfram

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    I think George Bush issued the orders some time ago. That's good enough for me.
     
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    According to all reports Ive heard, the picture above is nothing more than the group posing for a picture.
    According to reports the compound with OBL in it was known for 9 months before the action occured.
    It, the house was less than 50 yards from 3 battalions of elite military
    Also, the Pakistanis were involved, they had to know what was going to happen, they had to be, other wise it would be an act of aggression, act of war against them by a foreign nation.
    Are people that dumb that helicopters traveling, entering 100 miles inside a foreign country without being made on their radar, what about indias radar, everyone had to be advised, india,pakistan,afganistan are not exactly friends.
    Why shot in the head and legs, just in case someone was wearing a explosive vest.
    Acording to Leon Panetta, the pres and all those in the room had no idea what was going on, there was no live feed to them. Typical Obama
     
  12. lbshootin

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    Just ask Jack Bower....he could have done it in 24 hours!....
     
  13. Hoosier Daddy

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    Of course he ordered it! He not only ordered it, he was there leading the charge of the Seals and fired the shot that killed Usama. At least you would think so with all of his crowing about it. The man is a waste of fresh air.
     
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    SF,,,,totally with you,,,,the country will (hopefully) survive this president,,,we can only strive for his failure in his policies,,,,in my opinion and many others he IS a failure only because of what he is trying to do TO this country,,,,

    The presidency will ONLY fail if America fails,,,,which seems to be hussein's goal....
     
  15. b12

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    I said this as soon as I heard the news the SOB was dead.

    Obama had no choice. He was minipulated to a point where he could not back out or it would be leaked the public that he let Osama go. His best choice was let it run and hope things work out for the best. It it does then he will take full credit for it.
    Valerie was probably hard to hold down when she and Obama found out they were duped. Wild Bill
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    This is simply all too believable. Which is a sad commentary right there on this failed president.
     
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    You people are sick. You'll advance any wierd ideas with no factual background to advance your political beliefs. Stick to the facts. I remember Bush on an aircraft carrier saying it was all over. No one says anything about that because it doesn't fit their beliefs.
     
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    This post is, like many others, is unadulterated Crap!
     
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    G W Bush had a standing executive order to shoot OBL on sight.

    This was obeyed.

    The look on Barry Soetoro's face in the situation room gives it away. He had no clue, and sat there like a little boy watching.

    This administration does not know how to do anything but stall, or screw things up royally.

    The get credit for nothing as far as I am concerned.

    BTW, Flyn, it's "absurd".

    You are docked 50 cred points.

    HM
     
  20. SilverShooter

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    You guys really need to get out of the country more often. There is no better country than the USA -- but you wont know that till you see the squalor in 95% of the world or lived under real military oppression. Where else in the entire world can you put the image of the nations leader on toilet paper, and live long enough to use it? No where -- only in America!

    Like Obama or not, you have to respect the Presidency, cause:

    -- this is the ONLY county where your sons and daughters can be President someday...

    -- and its only for 8 years max...

    ...and thanks for the entertainment. LOLs indeed!
     
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