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Did I miss something in DEBATE

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by crusha, Oct 17, 2012.

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  1. crusha

    crusha TS Member

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    The thing I noticed was how the audience (or some of them, anyway) APPLAUDED Butch Crowley's treatment of Romney on that point, without as much as a moment's pause to even consider the merit or veracity of what was transpiring. Like trained lemmings, basically.



    Yeeeeah...those are some kinda "undecided" voters, all right. (Wonder what college campus they were trucked in from?)
     
  2. TinMan88

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    Witness political vaudeville...

    "On the one hand, to maintain its tenuous legal standing as the unofficial arbiter of who gets into the debates, it has to pretend to be neutral and not a creature of the two major parties and their presidential campaigns. On the other hand, in order to actually have the confidence of the major party campaigns, the CPD has to do its utmost to enforce the secret memorandum the campaigns negotiate that actually governs these joint TV appearances."
     
  3. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    Thunder,

    You're absolutely correct. She had it already laid out, went right to it, picked it up by the top corner of the sheet, and then misread it, so Romney had to deal with answering a incorrect statement. Lucky he did as well as it turned out. Check the link.

    buzz, You're absolutely correct too. Copy and paste the link below.

    http://tinyurl.com/btqtb65
     
  4. Fast Oil

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    "The fact is, moderators shape debates, and CNN's Candy Crowley is the third Leftmedia talking head in the lineup of moderators behind PBS's Jim Lehrer and ABC's Martha Raddatz. In case you missed the fine print, the moderator of this "townhall debate" chose the audience questions, so not only was Crowley a partisan referee, but she chose questions that would deliver Romney up for Obama sucker punches. As for the so-called "bipartisan" Commission on Presidential Debates, they shot down my "equally bipartisan" list of recommended moderators, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Rush Limbaugh."
     
  5. pretzel

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    Thunder , that was a great catch. we have to demand in the future that debates are played fair. If that can even be done. First of all the tax payer funding to leftist news media has to stop. If you cant make it in a true business environment they need to go out.
     
  6. lel4866

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    This should be outrageous to liberals as well. If a debate moderator can conspire with a liberal candidate to create a "setup" question then the tables can eventually be turned. This is election fraud, plain and simple, and should be investigated as such.

    There was another moment in the debate when Crowley inserted herself that is not being as widely discussed. When asked about the assault weapons ban, Romney started to discuss Fast and Furious. You can see Obama look at Crowley as if to say, "handle this". She proceeded to cut Romney off by saying that that wasn't relevant (of course it was relevant - one of the possible purposes of Fast and Furious was to get people killed with "assault weapons" so that they could then promote an assault weapons ban).

    I really don't understand why the Republicans would agree to 4 debates moderated by liberals.
     
  7. Stl Flyn

    Stl Flyn Well-Known Member

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    Do you think the transcripts you are talking about where the same transcripts Obama was talking about, the actual transcripts from the rose garden speech? When she was being continually interrupted she pieced together a incorrect sentence, from the different thoughts she was trying to keep in her head. Look at what she says after that about Romney's clams. She restates those too. Then farther in she says, "He - he did call it an act of terror.", referring to what Obama JUST had said about the rose garden speech. I understand why you hear, what you hear, but I don't think that was the means of what was said. If you take the whole context, interruptions, emotions, etc., into affect, I really think this is what happened. But, I look at these from a bi-partisan point of view.

    CROWLEY: Because we're - we're closing in, I want to still get
    a lot of people in. I want to ask you something, Mr. President, and
    then have the governor just quickly.

    Your secretary of state, as I'm sure you know, has said that she
    takes full responsibility for the attack on the diplomatic mission in
    Benghazi. Does the buck stop with your secretary of state as far as
    what went on here?

    OBAMA: Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job. But she
    works for me. I'm the president and I'm always responsible, and
    that's why nobody's more interested in finding out exactly what
    happened than I do.

    The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden
    and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find
    out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also
    said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime.

    And then a few days later, I was there greeting the caskets
    coming into Andrews Air Force Base and grieving with the families.

    And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary
    of State, our U.N. Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics
    or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive.
    That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not
    what I do as Commander in Chief.

    CROWLEY: Governor, if you want to...

    ROMNEY: Yes, I - I...

    CROWLEY: ... quickly to this please.

    ROMNEY: I - I think interesting the president just said
    something which - which is that on the day after the attack he went
    into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

    OBAMA: That's what I said.

    ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it
    was an act of terror.

    It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're
    saying?

    OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because
    it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi
    an act of terror.

    OBAMA: Get the transcript.

    CROWLEY: It - it - it - he did in fact, sir.
    So let me - let me call it an act of terror...

    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

    CROWLEY: He - he did call it an act of terror. It did as well
    take - it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there
    being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct
    about that.

    ROMNEY: This - the administration - the administration
    indicated this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous
    reaction.

    CROWLEY: It did.

    ROMNEY: It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act
    by a terrorist group. And to suggest - am I incorrect in that
    regard, on Sunday, the - your secretary –

    OBAMA: Candy?

    ROMNEY: Excuse me. The ambassador of the United Nations went on
    the Sunday television shows and spoke about how –

    OBAMA: Candy, I'm –

    ROMNEY: - this was a spontaneous –

    CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me –

    OBAMA: I'm happy to have a longer conversation –
     
  8. lel4866

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    Stl Flyn...Do you think Crowley's fumbling was not carefully rehearsed so as to not make this so obvious?

    I don't know...I don't have all the facts. When something happens that calls in question the fairness of these debates, which have become fundamental to our democracy, it needs to be investigated. Otherwise people will lose (even more) confidence in the very system we all seem to want to be successful.
     
  9. Stl Flyn

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    I really do not think her fumbling of her words where rehearsed, no. Nor any other part of her moderating. I am sure she had the questions in front of her that where going to be asked, in case the questions that where reviewed to be asked, where deviated from.
     
  10. mtimney

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    If this was staged, then it may well be the most serious ethical lapses by a journalist that I've ever heard of.

    The thought that the journalist was in league with Obama is speculation. I wouldn't treat it as anything more than that at this time.

    I have some questions though:

    If the moderator was so left-leaning as some posters have indicated, and that all of these journalists are liberals, then why would the Romney campaign agree to have them as moderators? This is all negotiated in advance and the campaigns are allowed to pick the moderators.

    Do you want a moderator who merely sits on the sidelines...as Jim Lehrer did?
    I believe the moderator should be a fact checker and should call both the candidates out when they lie... as both Romney and Obama did. Right now, we get fed a bunch of crap from the politicians and the journalists sit there afraid to offend viewers because it will hurt their reputation or their networks profits.
    Mark T
     
  11. bgf

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    Fact check my arse. A moderator is supposed to manage the debate...NOT eject there opinions.

    Bernie
     
  12. Rick Barker

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    The moderator knew the questions in advance. She was supposed to be the only one who knew them.

    Knowing the topics, she could have very well had documentation on the subject matter with her, under the premise to speed things along with clarification if a dispute arose.

    I don't see a problem here.

    Romney held his own and did well against the incumbent

    I don't think the debates are all that big of a deal.

    I have watched and listened to both Obama and Romney for years before these debates. I know what is who and who is what.
     
  13. pretzel

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    I just heard that the libs are throwing Clapper in the crapper. I thought Hillary has already jumped in it for Obama.
     
  14. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    thunder and all:

    I didn't notice anything particularly remarkable about the debate.

    For starters, it featured Candy Crowley, an "unbiased" moderator. Ms. Crowley is CNN's chief political correspondent. Everyone knows CNN for it's "unbiased" programing and a well deserved reputation for "unbiased" reporting.

    The debate was based on a series of questions personally selected by Ms. Crowley from a local audience. The local audience consisted of undecided voters selected from Long Island, NY, an overwhelmingly blue area in an overwhelming blue state.

    To her credit, Candy saw to it that both candidates were on the receiving end of some zinger questions. For example, Romney was asked if he still opposed equal pay for women. That was a shot at wooing one of obummer's critical constituencies - young, unmarried, female voters.

    The question is standard radical feminist fare which lacks a shred of credible evidence to support it. When differences in relevant work place variables (including but not limited to length of service, education, and hours worked) are factored out, there IS NO pay inequality between genders.

    Another zinger was the Latino gal asking Romney if he, like obummer, would support blanket amensty and immediate citizenship for every illegal alien that ever snuck across the border.

    Lest anyone think Candy was one sided, obummer got his zinging comeupance with the - Benghazi/murdered ambassador/busted for lying about terrorism - question.

    Unfortunately, Candy blindsided Romney with an illegal clip. Of course, lib dem/socialists use a different sports analogy. They consider Candy's faux fact checking a classic and successful "pick and roll" manuever. And EVERYBODY knows running interference for a teammate is allowed.

    All things considered, everything went just about as expected.

    sissy
     
  15. BT-100dc

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    I watched Obama in the Rose Garden on September 12th. Who are you going to believe, his lips or my lying ears? The moderator of this last debate should be disgraced. I couldn't believe how this dog and pony show supported the lie; i.e., the Administration did not refer to Bengazi as a terrorist attack until after U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice continued to spread the crap about the video. Once you prove who sent her out to spread the lie then you'll finally get to the bottom of this scandal. BT100dc
     
  16. bgf

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    Cowley interrupted Romney 19 times...Obamafuher 9 times if I recall. It's time for Limbaugh to moderate.

    The third debate is on foreign policy. Let's see how many questions are on Libya. Romney gets a second chance to bring Obamafuher to his knees.

    Let the moderator ask a question and then get out of the way of the debaters.

    Bernie
     
  17. Setterman

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    Bob Seifert is a flaming lib. This will be a cat and mouse game. They'll try desperately to trip up Romney.
     
  18. Rick Barker

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    Limbaugh?

    Oh, that would be fun.

    "Mr. President, at what point in your life did you decide to become a dirty lying scum bag liberal and join the Democrat party in hopes of destroying this country?"

    Sure beats asking what type of under wear is choice.
     
  19. oz

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    The inappropriate cheering was led by michelle obama. Crowley picked the questions, probably with a little help from BO. Too bad her fact check was wrong. odumbo mentioned terrorists on 9-12-2012 but he DID NOT say this was a terrorost attack or done by terrorists. Depends on what the defination of the word (IS) (IS). BC
     
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