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Did Boehner and McConnell sell US out???

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Aug 1, 2011.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Just thinking here and was wondering aloud as I have not READ the bill (kind of like MOST OF CONGRESS) but from what I have heard:



    The committee, 12 members total from both parties and sides of congress, meets to decide the "cuts" required by Thanksgiving. If they don't agree, there is an AUTOMATIC, cut to the Defense Department of 50% and also a reduction to Medicare payments.



    Here is what I am wondering: If they cut Defense by 50%; how will we fight the two (three in reality) wars we are currently in? Do we cut troops or equipment. While I would agree that there is some waste in their budget, it is NOT 50% of their budget and therefore something like this would WEAKEN us as a super power. Something just doesn't sit right here.



    Secondly, cutting the payouts of medicare, would just affect those who currently take Medicare patients. Have you heard just how MANY doctors and healthcare providers are NOT TAKING NEW patients anyway. Just where do they expect them to go; to the emergency room and what will this do to healthcare delivery? What type of fiasco is this????



    I realize this in not well written, I am just thinking out loud; but something just doesn't feel right....



    Your thoughts.....
     
  2. blade819

    blade819 Well-Known Member

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    I understand that the Defense cuts are capped at 50 billion. That's not a lot of money in the big picture. The F22 program has been on the bubble for quite some time so I predict it will be terminated. (Bad for my Lockheed Martin retirement 401K)Also, their Joint Strike Fighter Program has to be in jepordy. I share your"something doesn't feel right" feeling. I'm more concerned in maintaining the valuable two party system and not letting a bunch (about 25) radical extremist ruin it.

    blade819
     
  3. mallard2

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    We shouldn't be fighting three wars. Bring them home.
     
  4. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    blade, have you seen anything in print on the "deal"??
     
  5. Coyote 270

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    check this Headline out. Never thought I would ever see it in reference to this Great country.
     
  6. b12

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    Regan said to defeat the Russians is to out spend them and they will go down. That is just what happened do to their poor econome.
    Now that is the very thing that is happening to us and many nations are helping us to spend ourselves into disaster and the american people can't see it. If they did see it they would not stand for these outlandish and childish decisions out politations are making.
    As of today for this bullcrap of the passage of the debt bill peoples 401ks will be very soon be nothing but a piece paper not worth anything. Interest rates will be increased.

    If you think you were living in poverty let me tell you. This is your heaven and now hell is on the way. Wild Bill
     
  7. blade819

    blade819 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing in print yet. I believe I saw the 50 billion figure on the banner on the news. mallard2.....I'm with you!

    blade819
     
  8. dave-320c

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    We don't need to fight other peoples' wars of liberation for them. Sell em arms and train em if they back our life style.

    Bring our sons and daughters home ASAP; close all but two of our most important overseas bases; that what aircraft carriers are for.

    Do this over the next five to seven or so years, but do it!

    There will be enough monies left over to fund SSA and medicare for a time long enough to fix them.

    Ron Paul has the right idea.

    Just my opinion.

    David
     
  9. GW22

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    Boehner (the Republican) -- sell us out? No, no, hell no!

    Not unless you know how to do third grade arithmetic.

    -Gary
     
  10. birdogs

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    It was the best deal that could be reached. No conservative or Tea Party type is of should be happy with it but..... The left-wing media would have crucified the Republicans if no deal was reached. Now they can only try to spin it that Obama, the great statesman, carried the day. Not even liberals will believe that.

    Phase 2 is the all-important part of this bill. That is where the cojones will be on full display. It will also be the run-up to the 2012 election and all parties will be positioning themselves for that. You can bet that the Dems will be trying once again for increased taxes and higher spending.

    Also, remember that when the Bush tax cuts expire, that will result in the highest tax increase in American history and an initial slug of cash into the US Treasury. How will that cash be used? Further, that tax increase will act as a brake on the economy which will not have fully recovered by that time.

    There are so many moving parts to this thing that, at this point, no one can tell how it will shape up. Suffice it to say that if the GOP does not sweep Congress and the Presidency in 2012, we are in for more tough sledding. Within a few years, if not sooner, we will face the replacement of the Dollar as the world's reserve currency. Once that happens, forget a "AAA" bond rating. We will be lucky to have an "A" or "B" rating.
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    Idiots. They should have said "Cuts first, THEN we can talk about raising the debt ceiling."

    The socialists played the GOP like a fine tuned fiddle.
     
  12. Rick Barker

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    Guess we will have to take them to the woodshed come election time in 2012.......again.
     
  13. BAD 303

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    The sell out happened the last five years before the adults were put back in charge of the spending. It will take another election cycle to get the Senate and the White House back in adult decision makers hands. Then and only then will this country get turned around. Tonight is just the start of plugging the holes in the boat. We will take on more water for another year and a half but at least the holes can start being plugged.
     
  14. rpeerless

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    The Republican party has once again adopted 'the go along get along theory' of non leadership. Very disappointed in the seemingly well rehearsed Boehner, McConnell response to the "new bill". So easy to be mis-led under the guise of doing good. Slashing our Defense and shrinking our military doesn't make sense in a chaotic world. And everything has to be done last minute and in a rush; ushering in another unread bill. That should send up red flags.

    Frankly I don't see this as a victory for neither the Republicans or the Tea Party.

    Fanning the flames of tyranny doesn't seem to be the way to go.
     
  15. Don Steele

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    BAD303 has it about right.
    Most of us know this isn't the BEST deal, but it's A deal that involves a number of points Obama DIDN'T WANT. It's the first time the House has managed to PUT ANY KIND OF slow down on Democrat spending. Remember, when this discussion started, Obama wanted, and EXPECTED TO RECEIVE...a simple vote to raise the debt ceiling, with NO RESTRICTIONS.
    My concern with holding out for a truly GREAT deal is that we would have been delegated to being a small minority of "hold-outs", pushed aside, screaming at the top of our lungs...but UNHEARD by the majority of voters while the Democrats and moderate "Washington elite" Republicans went on without us to craft a much worse bill.
    Take this small victory...and move on to the next one.
     
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    Any bets on how many Tea Party members are going to be on that committee of 12?

    Keeping them off the committee panel would be a pretty clever way for the republicans (and dems, too) to punish them for supposedly creating all the fracas.
     
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    "Suffice it to say that if the GOP does not sweep Congress and the Presidency in 2012, we are in for more tough sledding."
    The last time the GOP swept Congress, Senate, and President they ran up huge deficits and did not entertain any thoughts of a balanced budget amendment! Face it, whichever party that is in power spends our money like drunken idiots. All politicians care about is "their" party and their own reelection.
     
  18. Rick Barker

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    I too, am a little disappointed with the outcome, but few wars are won with the first battle. We did shake up the "business as usual" thought in DC.

    We have many more battles to fight, more elections to win with the correct people on both sides.

    We must make it clear we will no longer tolerate people who believe they have a right to have their hand in our pocket to support their spending habits.

    Those who fear us like Joe Biden, Chuck Shumer, Hussien Obama and others of the criminal, I mean socialist behavior must be taken head on with a no prisoner approach. They asked for the civility, but were the first to drop it.

    Every time they try to defame or demean us we need to slap them down and explain to them, we have rights to the polical process too, and their rights and demands do not supersede ours, regardless what their professors told them in college.

    Turn it around on them. I'm going to make up a T shirt that says "Proud Member of the Tea Party Terrorists" and I am going to wear it. Remember how "in your face" the 60's radicals were?

    We can do that too. We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore.
     
  19. merlynstrapguns

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    I take exception to the term "drunken idiots". I have been both and I quit drinking and spending when I ran out of money....LOL...

    I have lived through the "best of times", but depending on the time of my passing, I might die in the worst of times! And neither party has done much to change that opinion as far as I can vision.............merlyn....
     
  20. Setterman

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    Some good thoughts here, but our hopes lie on the shoulders of the 6 Republicans put on the special committee. Cause you damn well know the Democrats will put the 6 most liberal spenders on that committee, and they will want to save the entitlements and raise taxes.

    Hope the 6 Republicans are Tea Party members....but I'm not holding my breath cause they have little seniority.
     
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