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Diana,Keman or Estate shells ?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by rhymeswithorange, Jan 19, 2010.

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  1. rhymeswithorange

    rhymeswithorange Member

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    I've shot maybe 40 cases of Diana/Kemen, zero problems except for one shell which was missing a primer.
     
  2. Hoosier Daddy

    Hoosier Daddy TS Member

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    I like the Estates. They are essentially a Federal and even have the Federal smell. I have shot a lot of them with zero problems.
     
  3. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    I like the Estates.

    No misfires/problems.

    Reload with Federal components.

    Got mine (bought 200+ flats) @ $28.00 per (no sales tax here in Delaware).

    Curt
     
  4. Savage99Stan

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    I'll no longer use Dianas in the winter. Several "bloopers" per box. Have had lots of 25s in the warmer months. Never tried Estates but sorta like the Federal 100 paks if I'm too lazy to reload.

    Kemens worked fine in the summer but have not shot them in the cold (under 30F)
     
  5. Baber

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    Kemens are great. Our club has sold 1000 or more flats without probems

    Tom
     
  6. Unknown1

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    Never shot Diana but the Estates pattern much more uniformly than the Kemen in my XT with IM. Must be the 2-piece wad.

    MK
     
  7. Quack Shot

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    If you are going to shoot in colder weather, get the Federals/Estates. I've experienced cold weather "bloopers" with the UEE products. Some of these off sounding shells were well under 800 fps over my chronograph when cold. That's a long cry from the advertised 1200. The Estates did much better. I have also noticed many base wad migrations in the UEE hulls. If you shoot a gaspipe, it's something to consider.
     
  8. BIGDON

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    Kemans are bad in cold weather. Won a bunch in Florida but the weather was in the 20's and 30's had several very weak shells, cost me a couple of birds. Therefore won't shoot them again. Used Estates and no problems.

    Don
     
  9. batman1004

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    estates a great singles and doubles shell and handicap to about 24yds but perfer fed plastic or paper for 27yd. the keman diana are weak at any distance. geo 3
     
  10. Lugerville

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    My son shoots a lot of the Estates with no problems. 2 3/4, 3 dram work good even in the real cold weather. They do have a HDCP in 1oz and 1 1/8 too. They are made by Federal so have the same performance as the Top Gun Federal brand.
     
  11. 3357

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    Keman uses a single base powder which is no good in cold weather, of the three you list I would use the Estates. I have not tried the Diana shells. I know the Estates work in any weather.
     
  12. phirel

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    I prefer Estates. Diana and Keman will not eject well from my gun. In warm temperatures, I doubt that many could tell much difference between the three brands but if it is a little cooler, Estates seem to work better for many. I was at the shoot last week where Big Don won a case of Keman shells and he had a few weak shells in 4 boxes-- the remaining 6 boxes are for sale at a cheap price.

    Pat Ireland
     
  13. Quack Shot

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    The hull separation issue is usually with the Federal Gold Medal hulls. The Estates are a different configuration with a rolled/pressed paper base wad. In the Estates, I've seen the tubes pull out from the head, but never on a new shell. It was only after several reloadings with slower powders. I've only seen it a few times, so it does not happen often. There was no problem removing the separated tubes from the guns, unlike the issue with the Gold Medal hulls.
     
  14. Frank C

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    Don't go with Kemen H Cap shells unless you have a recoil reducing stock.....they kick worse than a mule!
     
  15. JLJ0422

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    Shot kemens all last winter so far this winter in NW IL not a problem in 10 flats, federal wally worlds a bunch of mis formed shells that would'nt chamber. Joe
     
  16. Trap2

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    Estates: Yes.... Kemen: No..... Diana: Absolutely not!... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  17. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    They're all better than any of us shooters.
     
  18. Frank C

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    After 5 shoulder pounding shots with the Kemen Handicap shells I was looking around to see if I was on Candid Camera, after two fields my collarbone was bleeding, never felt anything like that before or since. Go with the 3dr Estates.
     
  19. WoodsonEnt

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    In warm weather, I doubt you can tell any difference between them. I have shot them all, and they all break targets well. As long as I do my part.

    Matt
     
  20. Pull & Mark

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    John, Diana shells have 3% antimony in there lead, the Kemans and Estate's have 5-6% antimony in there lead. As stated above Diana and Kemans will give some guns trouble and may have trouble in cold weather. I like the Estates, as they are a the best of the discount shells in my book. Nuff said. Break-em all. Jeff
     
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