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Daro Handy - Hall of Fame

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by jakearoo, Jul 8, 2008.

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  1. jakearoo

    jakearoo Active Member

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    Looking through the ATA Hall of Fame last evening. Noticed the absence of Daro Handy. Does anyone know why Daro is not an inductee to the Hall of Fame? Jake
     
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    It's a long, long, long story Jake..... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  3. jakearoo

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    Well Dan, Do give the highlights. You can PM me if you like. Regards, Jake
     
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    Forget the PM. We all want to hear..Ziggy
     
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    The reason I asked the question was because I do want to hear the story, whatever it is. There has always been politics in trapshooting.

    I don't think anyone can deny that Daro is/was one of the great shooters. I believe he still has the long run for 27 yard targets at 500+. I realize he was no specialist as a doubles shooter, but his averages (especially handicap and singles) in the 80s and 90s were amazing. Come on. There must be some reason he is not in the HOF.

    So, I sort of thought when I did not see his name that he may have somehow committed some sin which banished him. Does anyone know the answer who is willing to discuss it? Jake
     
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    Jake... No need to PM you as I'm not afraid to post what I know here... There are those in the ATA that will do everything in their power to keep Daro out of the Hall of Fame. Several lobby against him to this day. Many feel he "bent" the rulebook, during his shooting career, by turning down targets when they were either slow or fast pulls. He would also continually have the traps re-set when he felt they were throwing illegal targets, which, in those days, was most of the time. Daro Handy was one of the best, if not THE VERY BEST, handicap shooter that ever shot registered trap. His long run from the 27yd. line proves that. (over 500 straight, and no one comes even close to that number) He has spent years studying trapshooting from top to bottom and knew when a target was illegal and, as such, would refuse to shoot it. The rule book stated, very clearly, that he didn't have to shoot at a target that was illegal. He actually used the ATA rulebook to his advantage, and that pissed off the ATA no end. There were even times when the ATA would put a special referee to accompany Daro down the line trying to catch him cheating, but, they never could, because he never did. He was banned from, I believe, the ATA Golden West Grand at Sage Hill, Nevada, because the ATA felt he turned down too many targets. As I recall, Daro sued the club for doing that. Another strike for Daro with the ATA because he wasn't about to let them get away with it. There are many TOP shooters still shooting today that do not want Daro in the hall, for any number of reasons. Fact is, Daro beat them ALL most of the time, and that didn't sit well with many of them because they thought he did so unfairly. Now, a lot of these top shooters are still shooting and still pull a lot of weight with the ATA, and they don't want Daro Handy in the hall of fame, period, and will do everything they can to keep him out. Earl Scripture has a better chance than Daro does. While I'm sure Daro would very much like to get into the ATA HOF, I'll bet it's not something he loses sleep over. Daro is very comfortable with who he is, and his records, and isn't about to admit to anyone he ever did anything wrong when he can prove, without any doubt, that everything he did to accomplish his record was legal and above board. I am pleased to know Daro personally, and pleased to call him a friend, and I also know he is not the type of individual that would not follow the rules, to the letter. He is a great trap shooter and truly deserves to be in the ATA HOF based on his record and his accomplishments, but, the ATA will continue to put personalities before principals, and never induct him. There may be other reasons for not inducting him that I'm not aware of, but, these are a few of the ones I know about......Dan
     
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    Dan I don't think the record could set straight any better then you have done it. Dan has stated the truth as far as I am concerned and I think Daro deserves to be in the Hall but I also believe it will never happen. If trap had a delay as part of the game DARO would still have been a champion and nobody would have had anything to complain about.Jeff
     
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    Thx for that Dan, I have many times wondered if it wasn't some political BS that the ATA is so famous for. Many shooters have quit shooting ATA for this very reason ( including me)
     
  9. jakearoo

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    Dan, Thanks. For what it is worth, when I was shooting ATA actively in the early and mid 90s I watched Daro shoot many times. Watched him run 100 straight handicap and win a car in Vegas. I watched him shoot that 500+ long run at American Fork (at least, I saw a few hundred of them). He did turn down bad pulls but I never saw him turn down a nice clean pull or a legal bird. But, I sure did hear other shooters claim he did. I loved watching him shoot handicap. He was lightning fast and just crushed the birds.

    During that same time, I also saw some of the other perenial All Americans shoot. They ALL turned down bad pulls. And several of them turned down good pulls that "beat" them. And the ALL had the traps reset if they didn't like the birds.

    Now of course, we have nice voice pulls. We also have a new "failure to fire" rule. Turn down 2 per 25 of your choice, no problem. Go figure.

    Regards, Jake
     
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    Back in the early thru mid 70's I lived in Spokane and had the pleasure of meeting and being around Daro some. He was a pleasure to watch shoot. I don't recall ever seeing him do anything to degrade the game of Trap. What was really great was to see Daro, Britt Robinson, Larry Gravestock and Dan Bonillas all at the same time.
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    No matter the political bs he should be in the hall of fame. His longevity of dominance alone puts him in the hall. He was and is a great shot and they cant take that away from him even how hard they try. To this day if he shows up to a shoot he is the man to beat. He will always be an icon that others will be measured against. When I was a kid I would go to shoots with my dad in Southern Oregon and I would always sneak off to see Daro shoot and I still stop and watch 25 years later and I will watch again in two weeks at the PITA GRAND. He is a living legend. my 2 cents


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  12. Gary Waalkes

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    I think this thread has treaded out onto thin ice and now only half a story is being presented. consider - if not being in the HOF is related to turning down targets, I am certain some others might say that hard lefts from post one were turned down most frequently in favor of getting a better angle. I am not an ATA insider but I must doubt there is a vast ATA conspiracy to keep someone out the HOF.

    Leaving rumors and silly stories behind, perhaps his actual record is not up to HOF levels. He began registering targets in 1953 and has only registered 53,000 doubles and his doubles average is not stellar. Just check out some current HOFers for yourself - like L. Ray Stafford or Kay Ohye. Although the man is known for shooting handicap, compare his handicap record to Stafford’s'. How many years did Mr. Handy make the AA team? I think if you actually look at the records you might come to a conclusion that does not include the conspiracy stuff written in this thread.
     
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    Daro Handy turn down targets- I just can't imagine him doing that !!!!!!!!
     
  14. jakearoo

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    Gary, I would love to see more records. You can look up Daro's averages and I doubt for most of the 80s and 90s there were many with better averages. But, I don't see anywhere on the ATA site to check averages against others or past winners of major shoots (other than the Grand) etc. I don't even see how to check all the past All American teams. It is probably there but I can't find it. I am surprised the site is not more user friendly and accessible for such information.

    As for Daro, I would love to see a comparison of his results in the 80s and 90s to other greats. Jake
     
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    In the early 1980s I sat on a bench at the Grand on the East End and saw him turn down 17 targets out of 25 because of SLOW PULLS so to speak. I would not have believed had I not seen it with my own eye,s. Keep in mind these were the days before voice release systems we know of today. I just wonder how he does today with the voice releases.
     
  16. Gary Waalkes

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    Jake, it is simple to look up shooter records. On the ATA site, click on shooter information center. In the search for a member box, type in the name. The names will come back and you just select that person. for AA stuff, go to the HOF web site and move your cursor over HOF records. A menu will appear and one of the selections is for AA teams. Lots of stuff there does not seem to be available right now but it used to be.
     
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    Gary..... You are absolutely right about several of the averages posted by many of the hall of famers being very high. Daro's certainly is right up there with the best of them. If you dig a little deeper, you will also find many HOF members with averages much lower than Daro's. I would, however, like to remind you that averages alone do not make a hall of famer. I would suggest you review the requirements for induction into the hall of fame and I believe you will see that Daro has all the qualifications required for induction...... I said there may be other reasons that Daro is not being inducted, and I have no doubt there are. It would be refreshing to hear from the ATA HOF committee as to why he has not been inducted, wouldn't it? Does he not meet the criteria required for induction? I don't know for sure, but I'm sure SOMEONE in the ATA must know the answer.... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  18. Gary Waalkes

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    Dan, here are the requirements for entry as a competitor. (I don't see any thing about averages alone do not make a hall of famer.)

    Shooters with impressive records on an ATA-wide basis who are still living and have been in active competition for a period of 20 years or more.

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    Shooters who are deceased and have honored themselves in trapshooting on an ATA-wide basis for a significant number of years.


    so here it is, subjective criteria "impressive records on an ATA-wide basis". I think doubles prevents him up from having an "impressive record" but obviously you see it differently. Number of years on the AA Team, number of awards won at Zone and GA shoots also help create "impressive records". You state "many HOF members with averages much lower than Daro's" - please name some of these shooters. Certainly is not Kay or Ray or Leo
     
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    Daro & his dad, Enos, are great guys!
     
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    Gary... You see it your way and I see it mine. I think Daro's handicap record, number of wins, number of honorary punches from the 27, etc. are sufficient to qualify him as a shooter with impressive records on an ATA-wide basis who is still living and has been in active competition for a period of 20 years or more. Where does it say anything about doubles averages? I guarantee you that if it was anyone other than Daro Handy that had the credentials that Daro has, they would have been inducted long ago. You seem eager to get into a pissing contest with me about this subject, but, I'm not playing your game.. I'm simply stating what I believe to be part of the reason he is not in the HOF. You can believe whatever you choose to believe, but, don't think for a minute there are not underlying reasons that keep Daro out of the HOF. JUST MY OPINION, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS..... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
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