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  1. Francis Marion

    Francis Marion Well-Known Member

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    I just heard on Fox News Channel there is word that Bama made a deal with with the Hispanic caucus to guarantee amnesty for illegals in exchange for a yes vote today. Not sure if it's true, but it sure seems to follow the MO of this whole dirty disgusting process. This has gotten to the point of being almost surreal. Unfortunately, it is real. If this travesty passes today, keep breaking targets, but make sure the AR or the M1-A are handy. I have a feeling we are going to need them. The one thing I'm looking forward to is the video of some of these arrogant SOB'S hanging from lamp posts in DC. Just think Stalingrad.
     
  2. GW22

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    Steve, two things:

    1) There's no "if" about it. It's going to pass and the American taxpayers are going to eat the cost of this debacle whether we like it or not. Costs will explode for this, just like it does with everything else the government "manages," insurance companies will be allowed to rape and pillage worse than they do now, the and those of us lucky enough to have jobs will pay forever.

    2) Nobody is going to "hang from lamp posts." Americans by and large are uneducated and have become fat, lazy and ultra-apathetic. They will tolerate anything. Besides, more than a third of the population pays zero Federal income tax anyway, and they always have their hand out for the next entitlement. So why complain? As their kids' futures take the hit today and our country takes this giant step toward socialism, it will barely get a moment's attention from the brainless populace staring at college basketball or Nascar on TV.

    Face it -- this is the new America in which we live. That's why the flag I fly will always have 13 stars.

    -Gary
     
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    I read in one of the gun mags last fall the Department of Homeland Security ordered over 200 million rounds of 40 S&W ammo from Winchester I think.

    What the hell are they planning?

    It is probably going to be delivered over a number of years, should be public knowledge right?

    did a search:

    Winchester Awarded Department Of Homeland Security Ammunition Contract
    Winchester Ammunition

    Winchester Ammunition

    East Alton, IL – -(AmmoLand.com)- Winchester® Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

    “Winchester has a proud tradition of providing high quality ammunition to our nation’s law enforcement agencies,” said Dick Hammett, president, Winchester Ammunition. “No matter if they’re protecting our block, our city or our borders, each special agent is an invaluable resource and we are committed to giving them the best products available.”

    The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester® Ranger® line of products.

    For more information about Winchester Ammunition and its complete line of products visit www.winchester.com.

    tom
     
  5. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    GW,,,,just how do the insurance companies "rape and pillage",,,,you think it will be "better" under husseincare???
     
  6. tom-n8ies

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    Maybe the DHS thinks there is going to be a huge exodus of Illegals when o bama announces the ones already here will become citizens and have to start paying.


    tom
     
  7. GW22

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    bigdogtx: If you don't think health insurance companies are raping and pillaging you must have been in a coma for the last 20 years. And NO, it will not get better under ObamaCare. As my post clearly said, it will get worse. The Democrats are in bed with the insurance companies and unions and hardworking Americans will, once again, be saddled with footing the bill for all those bums sitting on their @sses all day with their hand out.

    -Gary
     
  8. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Medicare is being cut back.... the rationing is already starting.

    This isn't health care reform... it's health care expansion, rationing, and a huge power grab for the Dems.

    And the sleaziest bit of politicking I've seen in my 50 years.
     
  9. bigdogtx

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    You know, GW I have not been sleeping and would still like to have you tell of the "raping and pillaging" of the insurance companies. My premiums have gone up just like everyone else's,,,,but so has the cost of the CARE that my familiy have received.
     
  10. handlepuller

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    Bigdog,

    I won't use the term rape and pillage but health care premiums have gone through the roof for myself and my employees. Costs have too, but we're talking 40% annual increases in premiums or more. That is unsustainable. Insurance companies make huge profits from these premiums.

    I've bee fortunate, through hard work, to make enough to fall into the category that will be paying extra taxes for this new plan. What this will mean is that my days of charitable giving are done. Selfish? Maybe. But enough is enough.

    Good luck America!
     
  11. birdogs

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    Remember that the federal government (now the Central Government) costed out Medicare at $10 billio in it's 10th year. The actual cost was $110 billion! That's 11 times the estimate. What do you think this "over-run" will be?

    I agree with the patriot Samuel Adams in that we should hve a revolution every few years. Then we should borrow a page from, Saddam Heussein, Fidel Castro, Mao Tse Tong, and the other heroes of the left and line the opposition against the wall. I propose we start with Congress and college ofessors and "journalists".

    This is a war - on your liberty and freedoms and all's fair in war.
     
  12. bigdogtx

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    So handlepuller, how much has the cost of the "care" gone up??? I will give you my personal example. I had started insurance at a company cost of about $6000 total with my and the company's premiums. After 2 years a brain tumor was found and the BIG BAD insurance company paid over $65,000 to our healthcare providers. So just how did they make "huge profits" off of me when we changed coverages 3 years later? (This is not brought up too much in complaints such as yours, not picking on you, just stating fact)

    When you say that they are making TOO much,,,,who would you want to determine and define "too much",,,,doesn't that make our system more communistic??
     
  13. stokinpls

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    How about a song?
     
  14. handlepuller

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    That's why I didn't get into it too deep Bigdog, or completely knock health care reform for that matter. I feel that "something" needs to be done, but what is the question.

    The problem is I absolutely don't trust the Democrats. Health care is not in the dire straits they would have us believe. I'm a doctor and I know that the quality of health care is fantastic. Your brain tumor is a good example of an area where huge advances have been made over the years. People are NOT getting denied care; there are so many options for them already and Medicaid patients are essentially denied nothing. It's far less restrictive than private insurance.

    I'm the last person who will say a business shouldn't be allowed to make a profit but I know the high profits of inusurance companies come at a cost to small business. There are examples like your's where they lost money but overall they're doing great. How much is too much? Great question.
     
  15. bigdogtx

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    HP,,,,you are so right not to trust the democrats,,,,funny how a "healthcare" bill addresses student loans and other matters that DON'T have anything to do with healthcare,,,,

    Here are a couple ideas that I think would work:

    HSA's - Look at Indiana. This has PROVEN to work. When there is INCENTIVE to keep costs down at the consumer, it usually does. I then ask for the best price that I AM WILLING TO PAY. If one doctor charges too much, I can go to another.

    Place caps on malpractice awards. Not that this would reduce premiums that much, which it would, but it would the NEED for UNNEEDED tests to prevent the ambulance chasers from their HUGE awards. This WOULD reduce costs as well.

    Stop the "frequent fliers" at the ER. A hospital has already saved several million dollars by reducing these.

    Allow a worker when they leave an employer plan, to be able to keep the same plan at their cost not COBRA's. There is no reason to charge more as this individual and their health condition has already been underwritten and the cost is included. Why should they have to pay the COBRA rate?

    These are ALL cost reduction measures, so why are they not even being looked at????

    I can come
     
  16. GW22

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    "Why are they not even being looked at?" They aren't being looked at because this bill has nothing whatsoever to do with sincere desire to reduce costs. It's a governmental power grab and redistribution of wealth, pure and simple.

    The government and the insurance companies were in bed on this deal from the get-go and both will reap gigantic rewards. There's no need to reduce cost because it's win/win -- the government wins because it instantly gains power over almost 20% of the economy and gets hundreds of thousands of new bureaucrat employees, and the insurance companies win because they get tens of millions of new healthy customers who are mandated by law to pay premiums. Then the hardworking taxpayers (the 60% of us who actually pay federal tax) are forced to pay regardless of what it costs. So why in the world would anyone in this scheme want to reduce costs?

    Grow up.

    -Gary
     
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