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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by capt kirk, Jul 3, 2010.

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  1. capt kirk

    capt kirk TS Member

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    Guys! This topic is for thoses who have went to wenig, dennis devault, etc! how many shooters who have had a custom fitted stock made for themselves have noticed a totally vast improvement in there shoot/scores from the get go???
     
  2. Rich219

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    bump because I'm interested in this topic.
     
  3. Ray Collins

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    How much did it cost?

    Ray
     
  4. lilbug

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    Happy 4th to all it is good to hear from Capt. Kirk and John. John you missed a great time at State.

    Lisa and Harvey
     
  5. Cooter

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    This drives me nuts.People will re-hash 71/2 or 8s or the 27 yard line till you puke,but something as interesting and important,like this thread, they avoid like the plague.Good grief!
     
  6. BAD 303

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    I think most guys that spend that kind of money hate to admit it was not money well spent. Gun fit is not rocket science if you will take the time and effort to make the gun you have shoot where you want it to. Spending the big dollars from custom wood crafters is about more than gun fit. It is about a custom beautiful piece of wood and a one time gun fitting from some very highly regarded wood experts. Wenig and Dennis DeVault should not be mentioned in the same sentence in my view. Dennis just does work that is far superior to Wenig.

    With all that said a guy needs to decide if he is willing to spend as much or more on custom wood and fitting than the gun costs. Cause once it is spent there is very little gain in value if you decide to part with the gun.

    Get a gun fitted and see if it helps your scores tremendously before going all in. And shoot the fitted gun for at least a year to see if it is really the gun fit or a mental thing. Confidence means a lot in the clay target sports. And for the record i have several custom wood autos that were built to the same specs. I have nothing against anyone that does custom wood for a living. It just is not cost effective for a vast majority of shooters.
     
  7. eric

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    I went the custom fitting route at Kolar and it did help my scores not to mention the confort. But, alas, I got the "new gun" bug and sold the gun so now I am doing it all again. This one is a DeVault stock which should be here soon.

    Cost - depends on $ you spend on wood and if you have to travel. I would say that $4000 (mine was $4500) is in the ballpark for a custom FITTED stock if decent wood is involved (and why not at this point), airlines, hotel, meals, etc. Too much? Well consider how many people you know that had a stock they believed fitted them, sent the measurements off to a stockmaker and were not satisfited when it came back. It ends up another piece of firewood. The time spent with a knowledgable fitter is CRITICAL plus you need to shoot a mock-up before they start carving.

    It all comes down to doing it right and not trying to cut corners. Sell some of the guns sitting in your safe and spend the money. You will have one less thing to worry about and it will help your game (if you are like most of us). After the stock, spend some money on clinics - and I don't mean just one. Give the yourself a chance to shoot and get used to the new stock.

    Eric
     
  8. Shotgunbutch

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    My wife got a Wenig stock this summer. She really likes that stock!!!
    It was custom fitted.

    Arnie
     
  9. 700X-user

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    I have to disagree with BAD303! In my case anyhow! I had an adjustable comb and an adjustable butt plate on my gun. I had them adjusted to the extreme of their movement. I still couldn't get my head up straight and I was at my wits end. I went to The Country Gentleman's trailer at the Grand one year because I had heard good things about his service.

    I don't remember the owners name at the time. Todd maybe? He had me mount my gun and looked down the barrel at my head and eye. He then looked at my gun and proceded to shake his head. He told me that he was sorry but there was nothing he could do for me! BUT!!!! He knew who could. The owner actually left his business and escorted me down to Wenig's. He walked up to Fred and introduced me to him. "Fred, this poor boy needs your help!" Fred looked at me and said step this way young man and we will fix you up. I proceded to spend about 2- 2 1/2 hours in their shop while they made a "try" stock for my gun. The whole process took several months before it was all said and down.

    Picking up my gun and mounting it is like putting on your favorite pair of slippers. The gun fits! The gun shoots where I look. I never have to fit my self to the gun. The gun was fit to me. Scores went up considerably. The consistency is the big thing with me. Everytime I pick up the gun it is right there.

    I was also able to shoot with both eyes open for the first time once I got my eyes level. I always had to shoot with a piece of tape or magic dot on my left lens. Not everyone has the same physical build. The gun manufacturers try to fit the majority of people. Until you have had to resort to these measures you don't know what it is like. I had people tell me you have to learn to shoot with 2 eyes. If that is so, why was I able to do it immediately after getting my custom stock. I think my head being tipped over to the right was the problem. People ask me how I am able to shoot the target so close to it leaving the traphouse? The faster you see it! The faster you can break it!

    I wouldn't change a thing.

    Ed
     
  10. 1brucem

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    Most are a wast of time and money. Once and while I see a real success story. I wounder if the time and effort was put into adjusting the existing stock would of worked as well. I'm amazed at how many are bought and then sold after awhile. An opinion on a just received stock doesn't matter much as the shooter is working hard. Look at how many are still with the stock after a year or two and how they averages are to really get an idea of how good an investment they are. Bruce
     
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    For me, a PFS with Ultimate Comb made all the difference in the world. For the first time ever I can hold a level upright head which seems to eliminate most of the crossfire problem I had. Sure would be nice if the PFS looked half as nice as a good piece of wood. Marc
     
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    Phil Simms has made me a piece of art to go on my gun and it has made alot of diff. in shooting, recoil and fit, Money well spent. Going back for Phil to make me another Stock for my Browing. Nice Guy and KNOWS what he is doing!!!
     
  13. joe kuhn

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    "Everytime I pick up the gun it is right there."

    I agree. Had a fitting with Dennis and it was great. I don't have pre/post stats, but when a gun fits, you can focus on the target because the gun is indeed 'right there'. You don't even notice the gun.

    Moved on to fitting myself, but it's alot of work and bondo is ugly. Fitters earn their money.

    If you're a minimalist, try putting adj comb and adj pad hardware on your gun. If your stock has some offset in it, these two enhancements will get you most of the way there. Depending on your build, you might be done. Having somebody there who can tweak the settings, watch you shoot, etc. is very helpful. Maybe you can change an adjustment and judge for yourself. I don't know. If you had the hardware and took Dennis' clinic, he'd tweak them for you at the beginning of the clinic. Nice option.

    You don't have to go with a full fitting. Tron, Dennis, Wenig can all help you to a lesser degree. I know Dennis really cares about the shooter and his performance and not about getting the most from each customer. He's the only vendor I've used.

    Have you read Rollin's book? It's a good way to get familiar with the terms. Any local guys had fittings?

    Really what you're doing with a good fitting is removing obstacles. You still have to do the work.

    Good luck.
     
  14. capt kirk

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    In my experience, visiting Dennis DeVault was the best thing I ever did for my shooting. The only downside is, I want a custom stock for every shotgun I own. gjmen
     
  16. Setterman

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    Most avoid talking about custom fitted stocks because few people really understand the fitting process. With an adjustable comb and butt pad, most people can make a gun fit fairly well, but they will still experience abnormal recoil.

    It is not always possible to maximize recoil surface, pitch, and grip pressure points with an existing stock. If you require 100% POI or more, and want a fig 8 sight configuration, good luck if you have a non adjustable stock or a fixed rib gun.

    How many really know what POI they require?
     
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    where is Dennis located? can someone provide his contact info
     
  18. 635 G

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    Look up DeVault Industrie-Canton-Ohio

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  19. bigdogtx

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    Here you go....
     
  20. luvtrapguns

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    Top Single DT10

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, that's a beauty. Seems like it would be worth whatever you paid just to look at it once in a while, shooting it would be a bonus. Marc
     
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