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Criteria for yardage reduction

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by tjwatc, Dec 4, 2008.

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  1. tjwatc

    tjwatc TS Member

    Dec 2, 2007
    I was wondering if anyone could please explain how the ATA issues yardage reductions. I know that you have an "automatic review" after 1000 birds, but what criteria does the ATA use to give a reduction. I know that there are rules regarding scores like 100 in which you can not get reduced for 2 years, etc.

    Is there a percentage broken rule or what?

    Also, how and when is the ATA going to issue reductions below 20 yards since they opened up the 18 and 19 at the Grand American again.

    I have been shooting a couple of years and have not been punched, highest handicap score was 95. I have averaged 85 and 88 in my two years. Should I be expecting a reduction??


  2. John Thompson

    John Thompson TS Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    Sometimes you need to contact your state delegate. Usually reductions are made with a "purified" avg. of some where under 88. I am not sure of the minimum yardage as handicap rules change with more frequency than others. If under 20 yards is for vet.s, sr vets, jr.s & sub. jr.s & ladies as it once was, unless you are one of those, it won't happen. I had been "coded" due to wins at The Grand from 27 and had major health & vision issues and documented those and still had to wait 3 years to get a reduction. Good luck.
  3. BrowningGal

    BrowningGal TS Member

    Feb 21, 2008
    From the 2009 rule book, which can be found at www.shootata.com...


    This system has been developed through Delegate and Central Handicap
    Committee input with final approval and development by the Executive
    Committee. In order to explain the process clearly, several terms used in the
    following over-view will first be defined.

    COMPUTER REVIEW is the term used for regular 1000 Target
    Reviews processed by the computer. The output from these reviews is
    either a one yard reduction or a “no change” review, 8888 or 5555 listed
    in the shoot location code column of the shooter’s record.

    BREAK POINT is the average looked at by the computer to determine
    if a reduction is warranted. Break points are different depending on
    zone of residence.

    Eastern Zone: 89%
    Central Zone 90%
    Southern Zone 89%
    Southwestern Zone 90%
    Western Zone 90%

    HANDICAP COUNTER reflects the number of handicap targets
    registered since the last earned yardage or 1000 Target Review. Said
    “counter” appears on the same line as the yardage in the heading of
    a shooter’s record. The “counter” is zeroed after a review or earned
    yardage is entered into the shooter’s record.

    PURIFIED AVERAGE is best explained as the shooter’s handicap
    average after disregarding up to two handicap scores that deviate
    more than 10% below the shooter’s average.

    SPECIAL REVIEW is a review generated upon a shooter’s request
    and/or Delegate or Central Handicap Committee request. A “Special
    Review” may be for either reduction, increase, or no change. This
    review is processed manually and is indicated in the shooter’s record
    with 2222 in the shoot location code.


    1. The 1000 Target Review system is based upon the targets for the
    current and previous target year. Any special review or earned yardage
    will dictate 1,000 handicap targets be shot prior to another computer

    2. Shooters with a purified handicap average higher than the break point will
    be listed as “within the norm of ability”, the counter will be zeroed and a
    notation of 5555 will be entered into the shooter’s record. Shooters with
    a purified average below the break point and 500 or more singles targets
    in the current and previous target year, but not combined will receive a
    one yard reduction subject to any other restrictions. This reduction can
    be changed through agreement between the ATA Delegate and Central
    Handicap Committeeman, with notification to the shooter being a new
    card sent from the ATA office.

    3. No shooter will be reduced more than three yards in any one target

    4. Earned yardage of 1.5 or more yards for any single event may not be
    removed in part or in whole by any Committee action and/or 1000 target
    review for a minimum period of 2 years from the date the yardage is

    5. When multiple 100 target Handicap target events are shot on the same
    day, only 2 100-target events may be considered as the maximum per
    day towards a reduction. The 2 events considered must be the 2 in
    which the highest scores are registered.

    6. There are also codes inserted into a shooter’s record that will prevent
    a yardage reduction from being granted without written direction from
    the State Delegate. This code indicates that a shooter has proven his
    ability. A very small minority of active shooters have restrictive codes
    in their record. Most codes are removed at target year end and are
    inserted back in the shooter’s record at the discretion of the State ATA
    Delegate or Central Handicap Committeeman.

    7. A one year hold on reductions will be given any shooter with a “D” in
    their special codes. This hold is at shooter request only and notification
    to the ATA office can be made in writing by the shooter or through their
    Delegate. All “D” codes are removed at the end of the target year and
    must again be requested for the next year.

    8. No shooter with a “Y” code in their special codes will be reduced below
    the 24.0 yard line unless they are a Veteran or Senior Veteran. This
    is a permanent code automatically placed in a shooters records upon
    reaching the 27.0 yard line.

    9. Only those shooters who have registered 500 or more singles targets
    in the current or previous target year will be reviewed. If a shooter
    has insufficient singles targets registered, his counter will be zeroed
    and he will be printed on the summary until sufficient singles targets
    are registered. At such time the most current 1,000 handicap targets
    will be used in the review. The following table is used to determine
    “relative 16 yard average”:

    16 yard average shooter cannot be reduced below
    97.0% or higher 24.0 yards
    95.0% to 96.9% 22.0 yards
    93.0% to 94.9% 20.0 yards

    10. Shooters receiving reductions will be issued an average card
    showing their new yardage. This card will have “REVIEW” printed
    above the date.

    11. Upon receipt of a “1000 target review reduction” the shooter has
    one month to take that reduction. Before the Central Handicap
    Committee deems that “void”

    a.) Special Circumstances:

    1. Shooter is obviously shooting out of state
    2. Shooter has not shot any targets since the review
    3. If shooter has shot more than 500 targets from old yardage
    the reduction is void.
  4. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Unfortunately, there are many "27 yard" shooters who shoot reduction allowable scores, but, because they don't shoot singles anymore, never get that reduction....
  5. Delbert

    Delbert TS Member

    Apr 20, 2008
    I'm impressed that somebody would actually look at the rules rather than guessing.
  6. Mr Newbius©

    Mr Newbius© TS Member

    Feb 20, 2008
    Maybe you could shoot practice from the 20 yard line instead of shooting 16yd all the time. You are aware that there really is no difference between the the 16 and 20 yard line other than what you allow your head to do to your shooting.

    Practice from the 20 and get your confidence up and before ya know you will be able to hang with the big boys ... and it might even also help your 16 yard score as well.

    There is nothing other than more shooting that will improve your score and looking or asking for a reduction is not the way to improve your score but its you that you must live with ...
  7. markdenis

    markdenis TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998

    There is more than one criteria the ATA uses to give or reject yardage reductions. A few I can think of are sixteen yard averages, handicap averages and personal opinions by your delegate. If you have not received a reduction in the last two years and have shot enough low handicap scores to qualify for one, I suspect you have not satisfied one of the other two I have mentioned.

    Mark Rounds
  8. Trap4

    Trap4 Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I don't believe your 16 yd average has any effect on your handicap reductions as I have had a 98plus average in singles in 2007 and 2008 and was still given a handicap reduction, as I opted to do.

  9. Delbert

    Delbert TS Member

    Apr 20, 2008
    4, I'm betting your reduction wasn't below the 24 yard line since that's what the rule says. Read the post above by BrowningGal if you want to know the rules, since she posted them.
  10. Trap4

    Trap4 Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Delbert, well you won the bet, thanks for pointing that out about the 24 yd line,missed that in the post by Browning Gal. By the way how much where you betting??

  11. tjwatc

    tjwatc TS Member

    Dec 2, 2007
    Thanks for all of the information. I appreciate all of the helpful posts and get a good laugh out of some others. Trapshooters are wonderful people. Off to the Gun Club, no wind and 39 degrees .. a good day in December.

    I am going to take a couple of your suggestions and hopefully get punched early in 09. Goal is 27 yards within 2 years.

  12. phirel

    phirel TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    TJ- If you change your goal to breaking the next target you will have a much better chance of making the 27 in a couple of years.

    Pat Ireland
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