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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by g7777777, Dec 17, 2012.

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  1. g7777777

    g7777777 TS Supporters TS Supporters

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    There are many self touted Constitutional experts that post on here but one in particular states he has spent his entire life studying the constitution and he has determined that his rights are above anyone elses

    So when pointed out that most people believe that there is room for debate on this gun issue his position is the following

    Pen Dennis says about the murdered childrens parents in Conn

    "To be more blunt, what responsibility do the parents bear for not being more pro-active in their children's safety and welfare? Why did their children attend a school which was incapable of insuring the children's safety? "

    People like Pendennis will insure the rest of us lose our right to bear arms with attitudes like that

    Real smart student of his rights and the Constitution but notice he hasnt served the nation and thinks now is an opportunity to critique the parenting skills of those we see on TV in Conn


    A debate is going to occur- rememmber when wayne drove George Bush to resign his membership in the NRA?

    These extreme positions are looked at by the majority of Americans as fringe people- and in this case I would think he would be called a nut case.

    Aligning yourself with such positions is not going to be beneficial

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  2. ivanhoe

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    "Aligning yourself with such positions is not going to be beneficial"

    Well Gene giving in to the anti's isn't either. If you are going to fight for your rights then fight to win don't conprimise to make sure those that don't a clue view you in a different light.

    Bob Lawless
     
  3. Twinbirds

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    too many sheep, not enough wolves. hard to prepare for the unexpected, and this was way out in nutso land, why kill the kids, simply because he could, too much time in front of a video game blowing the heads off zombies! ever wonder why kids like games like that? it is killing neat and simple, no cleanup, no harm or is there? You will have a hard time convincing me that there where no warning signs that this was building up. We will never know the whole story.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    What a hypocrite. First Gene chastises everyone for not having an open mind to discuss this topic then when someone does bring up a suggestion he advises a closed mind, showing Gene once again has lost his mind.
     
  5. pendennis

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    "There are many self touted Constitutional experts that post on here but one in particular states he has spent his entire life studying the constitution and he has determined that his rights are above anyone elses"

    I did not state that I was an "expert" on the Constitution; only that I was a lifelong student. And yes, the rights of the individual are above those of everyone else. Those rights are only ceded with the permission of the individual. Anything else is Socialism, Progressivism, Communism, etc. Take your choice.

    "So when pointed out that most people believe that there is room for debate on this gun issue his position is the following

    Pen Dennis says about the murdered childrens parents in Conn

    "To be more blunt, what responsibility do the parents bear for not being more pro-active in their children's safety and welfare? Why did their children attend a school which was incapable of insuring the children's safety? "

    "People like Pendennis will insure the rest of us lose our right to bear arms with attitudes like that"

    You've yet to define what my "attitude" is. Is it that I hold that the individual's rights are sacrosanct, and that they supercede any so-called "group rights" (which are oxymoronic on their face)?

    "Real smart student of his rights and the Constitution but notice he hasnt served the nation and thinks now is an opportunity to critique the parenting skills of those we see on TV in Conn"

    Yes, I do understand, and know my rights. And I served my country; for more than ten years, and voluntarily.

    "A debate is going to occur- rememmber (sic) when wayne drove George Bush to resign his membership in the NRA?"

    And just what does this have to do with individual's constitutional rights? You're either for individual rights, or you are not. Obviously, you are not. George Bush is not conservative, and his record is quite clear as President. He engaged in "nation building"; the same policy engaged in by Roosevelt (T and FD), Wilson, and Johnson; and the same as is being used by President Obama, by attempting to democratize such bastions of individual liberty such as Syria, Egypt, and Libya.

    "These extreme positions are looked at by the majority of Americans as fringe people- and in this case I would think he would be called a nut case.

    Aligning yourself with such positions is not going to be beneficial"

    At what point does one stop standing up for individual rights, and adherence to the U.S. Constitution?

    Over two threads, I've asked a number of questions which you've refused to answer, much less consider, in your responses. And please consult with me personally, if you wish to comment about my military service.

    ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!
     
  6. Shootrman

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    FBI extensive research says no relation between video games and killing.
    Dr Phil says absolutely no way to predict these senseless killings. He says most phsycotics don't hurt others. Do I have the answer, NO (wish I did). My thoughts, our society has changed & this is my two cents. For the most part, in MY ESTIMATION, the family unit is gone. Not that parents are shunning their responsibilities, but most families both parents have to work to meet the bills. You don't see, (at least I don't) families doing things with the family (camping, church, scouting, sitting down as a family talking about their day, etc.) I see to many kids on their own until a parent gets home. Kids as young as 6, getting off the bus at 2:00 waiting for a parent to come home at 8 and 9 pm. And I'm not saying its the parents fault, they're paying the bills. And then if the authorities find out that a child is alone like that, then it's neglect. What's a family to do. Times have changed
     
  7. R.Kipling

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    No dog in this fight, but this is what first thing that came to mind while reading the thread:

    The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
    Ayn Rand

    Another thought is that I wish someone had saved all those crazy Gene7777777 posts from the old days....... On-line L1 law school student - boy those were some wild times.

    Kip
     
  8. drgondog

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    Dead on again Kip.

    If we can sacrifice a newborn for convenience, or our Rights to 'get along, compromise, or eliminate our Rights to fight 'Terror' we continue down the road to central control - otherwise known as a tyranny.

    Many will follow that path because security is more important than Freedom. The real 'comprehendor's' of the folly of that thinking are exposing themselves every day in Afghaniston and other hotspots around the globe.

    They aren't there because they love Obama or HSA or FEMA.

    Don't push 'em idelogically to the left because they don't live there.
     
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    "We must reject the idea that every time a law is broken society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is responsible for his actions." --Ronald Reagan
     
  10. John Galt

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    Once politicians start saying something as stupid as "we have to do something", you know that something stupid is about to happen.
     
  11. GW22

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    Gene knows his stuff about the Constitution. He had a lot of time to study it during his oft self-touted "military service" (you know -- while other people were actually fighting the wars, LOL).

    -Gary
     
  12. John Galt

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    You know, I used to think that Gene was just misunderstood and couldn't understand why everybody thought he was a complete idiot. I WAS WRONG.
     
  13. 548

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    Gene is an outstanding TS poster. He has the courage to post the opinion that most of us share but few of us will voice on here. Grown men calling grown men idiots and pieces of shit has silenced the best that this site had to offer. It is conduct like that which our schools fight so hard to curtail in an attempt to avoid days like Friday. Yet grown ass men, like Brian in Oregon and many more, carry on like it is 1970 and they are in 5th grade.
     
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    548, I don't know anything about Gene. I'm sure he's a nice man. A few months ago I made a post against abortion on demand and Pres. Obama and you judged me like your last name was Wapner. You didn't know me and I was new here, yet you had me all figured out after two sentences. I'd be careful about pointing fingers at folks.
     
  16. 548

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    Well of course I voiced my opposition, that's what this is all about, right?

    I guarantee you I didn't belittle, demean, or call you juvenile names.
     
  17. BT-100dc

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    Although some will say the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right, I will disagree. The first 10 Amendments, if you wish to read each, you will find that each are individual rights and can be expanded to multiple individual rights. I'm not a lawyer but I can think and read. Be thankful that these are your rights. We must fight to keep the Constitution as the second most important document ever written (the first is the bible). BT100dc
     
  18. Westie

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    548, I looked up your old post. I guess your guarantees are worth a great deal. "Your statement is the most offensive thing I've ever read on this site". "You should be embarrassed to write it". "Hope you don't have children to poison with your hate". Not belittling or demeaning at all, do you think? Like I said, if only everyone could be as mature and nonjudgmental as 548. BTW, Merry Christmas!
     
  19. bigdogtx

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    Gene,,,,,should we ONLY defend the rights that you believe in or in the way YOU read it or "think" it should read?????
     
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