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Concealed Carry in Illinois!!

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  1. wireguy

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    http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/1332500234f30qvjvkjjm

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    Pike County, Illinois Enacts Concealed Carry
    PASA Park, Barry, IL -- In the election held Tuesday, March 20, 2012, the voters of Pike County, Illinois, approved a firearms concealed-carry ordinance by a 3,214 to 550 margin. It was one of the largest voter turnouts in county history. The ordinance directly contradicts current Illinois state law. As presented on the ballot, the ordinance took effect upon passage, and applies only to Pike County. The ordinance was placed on the ballot by a citizen initiative petition process that garnered three times the number of signatures required by law.

    The new "Constitutional Carry" Pike County initiative was spearheaded by local Second Amendment activist Dr. Dan Mefford of Pittsfield, who drafted the successful ordinance in conjunction with noted outdoor journalist and firearms law expert Dick Metcalf, who is also a resident of Pike County. According to Dr. Mefford, "The people are speaking, and what the people are saying is, 'Trust the people.'"

    Historians have stated that this is the first time since 1862 that county voters in any U.S. state have explicitly reversed a state law. The previous example was when the five western counties of Virginal nullified that state's secession from the Union, and themselves seceded from Virginia to form the new state of West Virginia.

    It is widely anticipated that other rural and downstate counties will follow Pike County's lead. In 2007, the Pike County Board enacted a resolution stating that further restrictive firearms laws enacted by the Illinois State Legislature would be deemed by Pike County "to be Unconstitutional and beyond lawful Legislative Authority." That resolution was subsequently passed by 89 percent of all Illinois counties.

    County and local law enforcement officers in Pike County are obligated by law to enforce country ordinances. State law enforcement officers and agencies are obligated to enforce state law. Legal observers therefore expect the inevitable court battle to be complex, because the new ordinance was enacted by the voters themselves, not by any county or local legislative entity.
  2. glock22

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    Good for Pike co.,sounds like a bunch of great Americans. I lived in IL
    and now live in WV. Such a difference!!!
  3. timberfaller

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    If you've looked and any "how people voted" maps lately, rural America is still conservative in ideology. There are however more and more liberals moving in because they become dis-enchanted with city life.Bringing with them the ideology from the city. Most don't want to "change" even though they say "we came here for a better life style". Those that make the change will last but I've seen lots only make it a couple of years and they high tail it back to where they came from!!

    It is the reason Obo and Romney get into the positions they hold. If you have been watching Mitt at all you will have noticed, he only takes the "Populated"(major city's) areas of the states he has won. He is doing nothing different then what Obo did to bet the votes to become the Usurper in Chief.

    If we loose the Rural America, We will loose our Freedom's. If the county's of the state's will wake up and pass bills that don't violate the Constitution of their state(if they have one) or the Constitution of the United States, They can't be overturned by the powers that be. Money is the main hurdle that stops most improvements !!
  4. CharlesR1100

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    I think it will pass this year as a revenue measure for a cash strapped state.
  5. CalvinMD

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    Wow...it would be nice if we could get that spirit and support going for CCW's in Md....Doubtful with the Nazi's we have running things
  6. cnsane

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    Finally telling the lawmakers and law enforcers to go eff themselves. And so it begins, belatedly. And when it gathers enough momentum, there'll be martial law. And when that erodes for the same reasons,,,
  7. Don Steele

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    In 1933 the German people allowed the Nazi's to run things..that didn't work out to well for them. Too bad they didn't rise up and legally cut the National Socialists off at the knees BEFORE they became too powerful. I suppose the German people's desire for Hope and Change from the disaster of the Weimar Republic years was just too great. If people with 2 brain cells DON'T take action now...while they still can...we're LOST. The OTHER SIDE is organized and on the move...DON'T LET THEM have America for their utopian experiments.
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    Don't expect the Cook/Chicago pols to let go of any power easily. They will use the people's money to fight the people until it's all used up. I hope the rural counties prevail and then chip away at the urban laws that hamper individual rights.

    Tom Frazer
  9. mrskeet410

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    Tempest in a teapot. County laws can't trump state laws. It will get tossed on court.
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    It has been said that nothing worth having was ever gained easily. It's a long uphill fight but we are gonna beat those crooked bastards eventually. I just hope it's in my lifetime.

    P.S. mrs keet get lost. You have no friends on this forum. Nobody here likes you. Nobody.
  11. bigdogtx

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    keety,,,,how many names do you have here like on the other sites you post on????
  12. Rick Barker

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    Mskeet

    Re county vs State laws.

    Wrong again there buddy.......depends on that State Constitution as written.

    Here in Colorado, we have a proviso in our Consitution called "home rule."

    It allows cities and counties to exclude or override some State provisions.

    Denver still bans "assult weapons" even though the State forbids the bans. It was taken to court and Denver won.

    Besides I doubt Illinois has a ban on concealed carry. I would suspect what was passed was a type of "must issue" instead of police and sheriff denying without reason.

    You are back again and still full of wrong info as usual.
  13. Oscar Ray

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    Why does anyone pay any attention to skeets, the Lying Liberal Racist????

    Where is that "Whites Only" gun club??????

    Oscar
  14. Barry C. Roach

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    I doubt if anyone contests it. It'll never see the inside of a courthouse.
  15. illiniphil

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    What many on this forum (that love to take potshots at Illinois) don't understand is this same law would probably pass in every county south of I80. 85% of Illinois is filled with people like all of us on this forum.
  16. Rick Barker

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    Illiniphil,

    No we know it is Cook County that it is the real problem.

    It it were the State of Cook, then all of Illinois problems would be solved.
  17. mrskeet410

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    ...But Illinois state police say even if the ordinance passes in Pike County they will follow state law and it will still be considered a crime in Illinois to carry a weapon.

    Ultimately, the first test of the ordinance would come when a case is taken to the Pike county state's attorney and the courts would decide.

    "The county cannot pass a law that supercedes a state law however..."

    http://www.wgem.com/story/17171719/pike-county-residents-to-cast-their-votes-on-concealed-carry
  18. Rick Barker

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    Well, this is going to be decided in the courts, but I think it will come down on the side of Pike County eventually.

    Here, read this and I posted the link for you to read all about Illinois' Home Rule and as found in some State Constitutions.

    This is the out that many local governments use in other States to ignore some State laws. By the way, the fact the State does not issue permits, is what makes carrying a gun against the law. No doubt the permits will not be valid outside the county.


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    Constitution of the State of Illinois


    ARTICLE VII


    LOCAL GOVERNMENT


    SECTION 6. POWERS OF HOME RULE UNITS

    (a).................. Except as limited by this Section, a home rule unit may exercise any power and perform any function pertaining to its government and affairs including, but not limited to, the power to regulate for the protection of the public health, safety, morals and welfare; to license; to tax; and to incur debt.
  19. Bruce Specht

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    It will be interesting to watch the fight in court and you can bet it will go to court. As a life long citizen of this state of coruption I can only hope that the people in the counties other than cook can make a strong case. The problem is that Springfield is run by the politicians in Chicago. I wonder which county will follow Pike with the Concealed Carry? I hope it's Jo Daves I think that's the way the law will be changed county by county
  20. Rick Barker

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    Exactly, then what will Cook County do, if 90 percent or more of the other Illinois Counties do the same thing as Pike???
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