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Con Trail off California explained...

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  1. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    The "Brain Dead Media" reported the "Official Report" that it was an aircraft contrail. Now the truth comes out.

    The greatest threat to the safety and security of our country seems not to be from China, middle east terrorists or North Korea but from the Democrat party.


    Wayne Madsen Report
    November 10, 2010

    Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA

    China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast.

    Intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.


    The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China's leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.


    The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.


    Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.

    There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.

    Missile experts, including those from Janes in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.

    Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.


    Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile show of force in skies west of Los Angeles.

    Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.


    Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.

    The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that Chinas navy can also play in waters off the American coast.

    For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navys Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan's December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.


    In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the Peoples Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the spin on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at Star Wars II.


    And to think that it could not have been done without Bill Clinton's giving them the gyro techology in exchange for campaign money....
     
  2. Hauxfan

    Hauxfan Well-Known Member

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    That is not right.

    Check out this website!

    Hauxfan!
     
  3. timb99

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    Seriously, it was Iron Man.
     
  4. wireguy

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    Phoenix is near due north from Los Angeles?
     
  5. sliverbulletexpress

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    Does anyone in the universe doubt China's capability? This story smells like BS to me.
     
  6. senior smoke

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    Regardless if this story is true or not, we need to be so strong militarily that no country would ever think of striking us first, as it would be suicidal to them. As a people, Americans are to good and compassionate. We need to act more like the sob's that give us these problems. The only country that we could ever depend on for help is England.
    Steve Balistreri
     
  7. slic lee

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    What the newspaper printed was pure crap.
    A contrail is made from condensation only at altitudes higher then commercial planes can fly.
    Morons and liars,-how many commercial planes do you see every day that show contrail.
    Obama has cut our missle program as soon as he was elected as all other countries increased spending in that area.
    Remember, he doesnt work for us but another concern.
    To you who elected him,ROT LEE
     
  8. likes-to-shoot

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    slic lee.....

    I live in the midwest and see commerical planes WITH CONTRAILS everyday. If you read the website above you will see that they form at around 8 km which is 26,246.72 feet and the temp needs to be around -40 C which also happens to be -40 F.
     
  9. g7777777

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    Whatever happened-- I am surprised the media has dropped such a story? How did that happen?

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  10. timb99

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    slic lee

    Go look at some WWII photos of B-17's and B-24's flying across the sky leaving contrails.

    I have seen lots of contrails criss-crossing the sky over the midwest.
     
  11. rustygun

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    I seriously doubt that it was a Chinese missile., If it was a slap at Obama's administration, the Chinese would have been crowing in the international press.
    I guess time will tell.
     
  12. timb99

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    wireguy

    A straight line on a globe from Honolulu to Phoenix would pass about half way between LA and San Diego.

    But flight paths are not always straight line, and its not outside the realm of probability that air traffic control would have made them go north of LA instead of south.
     
  13. likes-to-shoot

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    A lot of air traffic uses a semi- circle (for the lack of a better term) instead of a straight line. Its shorter because of the curvature of the earth.
     
  14. brownk80

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    Likes to shoot,

    It is referred to as "Great Circle". You can test it yourself with a globe and piece of string.
     
  15. wireguy

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    Yea, I didn't think of that. Coulda started north due to traffic and then headed southeast.
     
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    During Desert Storm,... Guided missiles.....cruise missiles, etc, whatever.... were filmed that appeared more like a miniature jet flying past......No rocket flame like gary waalkes would like everyone to believe. Missiles need stealth as much as any aircraft.

    I'm sure mr waalkes is aware that there many things that go on every day, that our military will deny to the death..... to keep the people from knowing the truth. We have created a monster......when zero said that time,..... that was above his pay grade......he wasn't joking.
     
  17. timb99

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    I'm sticking with Iron Man.

    Its equally as likely to be correct as most of the conspiracy theories I've seen posted here so far.
     
  18. halfmile

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    The Black Helicopter folks are happy to have new Play-Dough.

    HM
     
  19. sliverbulletexpress

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    "Missiles need stealth as much as any aircraft."

    Seriously?
     
  20. stokinpls

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    Wasn't the newsman filming the object from a reported 35+ miles away? Distance can effect how much time you have to observe a moving object and how fast it appears to move. Airliners look like they are crawling by, 6-7 miles away, spewing out contrails, when we all know they're going hundreds of miles per hour. That thing looked awfully fast for an airliner.
     
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