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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    WEAPONS OF CHOICE<br>
    WorldNetDaily Exclusive<br>
    Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'<br>
    2nd Amendment critics are 'ready to run wild'<br>
    Posted: January 06, 2009<br>
    10:05 pm Eastern<br>
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    By Bob Unruh<br>
    WorldNetDaily<br>
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    A perfect storm is developing for Second Amendment opponents that could allow President-elect Barack Obama's choice for attorney general – Eric Holder – to "ban guns at will" despite the 2008 affirmation from the U.S. Supreme Court that U.S. citizens have a right to bear arms.<br>
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    The situation was described with alarm by Alan Korwin, author of Gun Laws of America, in a recent commentary.<br>
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    He cited Holder's known support for gun bans – the former Clinton administration official endorsed the District of Columbia's complete ban on functional guns in residents' homes before it was overturned by the Supreme Court.<br>
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    And Korwin pointed to overwhelming Democratic majorities in Congress as well as Obama's known support for gun restrictions and his presence in the Oval Office.<br>
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    Thirdly, Korwin, one of many Second Amendment advocates raising concerns, cited a proposal already submitted to Congress at a time when its backers could not reasonably expect it to succeed.<br>
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    The submission is H.R. 1022 by New York Democrat Carolyn McCarthy and 67 co-sponsors. It was introduced in February 2007 and the next month referred to the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security, where it has stayed.<br>
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    But that could change in the 111th Congress, sworn in today. And Korwin said the plan would allow the U.S. Attorney General – possibly Holder – to add to the list of guns banned to the public any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."<br>
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    "Note that … Holder … wrote a brief in the (District of Columbia) Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home," Korwin said.<br>
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    In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."<br>
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    "In plain English," Korwin said, "This means that any firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public. That presumption can be challenged only by suing the federal government over each firearm it decides to ban, in a court it runs with a judge it pays. This virtually dismisses the principles of the Second Amendment.<br>
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    "The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose – is that devious or what? And of course, 'sporting purpose' is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent," he said.<br>
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    Korwin told WND a new proposal to replace H.R. 1022 is not expected to be less draconian.<br>
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    "Remember – these bans were proposed when the congressional anti-rights crowd had no chance of success. Now they are ready to run wild, or according to Sarah (Brady) herself, 'I have never been so confident,'" Korwin wrote, referring to the champion of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, which requires background checks on purchasers of handguns.<br>
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    Korwin said the Democrats listed in H.R. 1022 a framework for guns to be banned that includes originals, copies or duplicates of a wide-ranging list of shotguns, pistols and rifles.<br>
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    One of the red flags for semiautomatic rifles would be "anything" that can serve as a grip, and as set up now, the Democrat members of the Judiciary Committee "are all sworn enemies to the Second Amendment and are unlikely to be swayed at all by any firearms related arguments," he said.<br>
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    The Republicans all "need to be pressed hard to do everything they can to block the appointment."<br>
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    Further, with the expectation that Obama will appoint at least one or two Supreme Court justices, further damage could be just a vote or two away, he said.<br>
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    "If he can get a 5-4 or 6-3 majority who dislike gun rights, you could find that your [Second Amendment] rights aren't what they've been for 200 years," Korwin said.<br>
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    John Snyder assembled a list of prominent critics of the Holder nomination.for the Firearms Coalition.<br>
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    "A former Ohio secretary of state, (Ken) Blackwell notes that, 'despite Obama's new lip service to the Second Amendment, Holder signed onto a brief earlier this year (2008) reaffirming his long-held position that the Second Amendment confers no rights whatsoever to private citizens, and that the Supreme Court should have upheld D.C.'s absolute ban on handguns, even in homes."<br>
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    Snyder also cited comments from Brian Darling, director of U.S. Senate Relations at the Heritage Foundation, that Holder's position "strongly suggests that Holder is hostile to private gun ownership and will work to restrict gun rights."<br>
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    Shotgun News columnist Jeff Knox wrote, "The gun rights community should make every effort to see to it that Holder's nomination is withdrawn or rejected."<br>
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    According to Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb, Holder has supported handgun licensing and mandatory trigger locks. He also lobbied for limits on gun shows.<br>
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    "This is not the record of a man who will come to office as the nation's top law enforcement officer with the rights and concerns of gun owners in mind," Gottlieb wrote.<br>
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    "America's 85 million gun owners have ample reason to be pessimistic about how their civil rights will fare under the Obama administration," Gottlieb said. "Mr. Obama will have a Congress with an anti-gun Democrat majority leadership to push his gun control agenda. Gun owners have not forgotten Mr. Obama's acknowledged opposition to concealed carry rights, nor his support for a ban on handgun ownership when he was running for the Illinois state senate."<br>
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    The issue of gun rights is more important than many believe, wrote Joseph Farah, WND's founder and editor, in a recent column. He cited a study from the University of Maryland and University of Michigan that uncovered a beneficial link between gun shows and crime.<br>
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    "We find a sharp decline in the number of gun homicides in the weeks immediately following a gun show," the study concluded. Furthermore, in Texas they found "gun shows reduce the number of gun homicides by 16 in the average year."<br>
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    "Holder’s appointment to be AG must be approved by the Senate," wrote David Codrea in the Examiner. "While it is highly unlikely that opponents could muster the 51 votes needed to reject Holder's appointment, a single senator can place a 'hold' on the confirmation and effectively lock up the system just as Democrats did with a number of President Bush's judicial appointments and the appointment of John Bolton to be Ambassador to the U.N."<br>
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    The Supreme Court decided in the D.C. vs. Heller case that the Second Amendment provides an individual right to own firearms, not just the right for states to form armed militias.<br>
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    The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Justice Antonin Scalia said in the majority opinion.<br>
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    Justice John Paul Stevens, writing in dissent, said the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."<br>
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    Scalia said the ruling should not "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."<br>
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    Scalia was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. Joining Stevens in dissent were Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.<br>
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    The amendment, ratified in 1791, says: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
     
  2. Dove Commander

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    Let em' try.
     
  3. 22hornet

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    It's coming, people. It will be interesting to hear the reaction of the gun owning liberals and union hacks that touted the great obama when it all comes down.
     
  4. Shooting Coach

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    What Hornet said. :^(
     
  5. ivanhoe

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    Dove Commander

    "Let em' try."

    It is already happening in Massachusetts and has been for several years. The AG office has a list of approved handguns and handgun not on the list can't be sold in Massachusetts.

    BTW there aren't to many on the list!!!!!!!!!!!



    Bob Lawless
     
  6. Don Steele

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    NO surprise here. This gives our enemies exactly what they want. EXACTLY what they voted for when they pulled that Democrat lever. Don't site back fat dumb and happy 'cause "you already got yours"...It is a tiny step from a ban on new sales....to a ban on possession. Wrap'em up and turn'em in Boys....
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    WHERE are all the Obama lovers who plastered this site with their crap before the election and insisted Obama would never take our guns?<br>
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    Told ya they were Fifth Columnists.
     
  8. Setterman

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    Join the NRA. If you enjoy any gunsport and don't belong, your kidding yourself.
     
  9. BT-100dc

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    Eric Holder is no friend to gun owners. This guy believes the Second Amendment is not an individual right. He represents Obama's VISION, and, that vision will harm the gun owner and help destroy shooting sports. I believe in opposing both of them from the start; ask what can we do, join the NRA and prepare for the fight. It's coming and whether you like it not, you will be affected. Darrell
     
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    Democrats are socialists (COMMIE), and do not deny it. High taxes, no rights for firearms, religon, universal health care, ect. When will people wake up the democrats of today are not the good people of the 1920s. Dems today are a liberal radical bunch who are the most corrupt, example (NJ). Remember do not work let Obama give your check to you, (Nobody else wants to work). There are very few good demorcrats Zell Miller being one. I can rant for pages. Let me get back to work.
    Mike Sharkey, DC
     
  11. Michael Jobe

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    MIA, Philly and Pittsburgh have enough voters it doesn't matter what the rest of PA (the rural route) thinks or how we vote.

    Bush's legacy... "I screwed up things so bad that America voted in Obama and will glady give away their freedom in hopes of getting back good economic times."

    ~Michael
     
  12. slide action

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    The FOOLS that voted for Obama will see the result with this piece of Scum as AG! He hates the second ammendment and falsely says it has noitrhing to do with private gun ownership. He will pull out all the stops to trash gun owner rights. I feel sorry for every gun owner except the MORONS who voted for the Commie!
     
  13. Jawhawker

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    So out of curiousity I ask, will the American gun owning citizen allow all firearms to become illegal with stiff penalties for possesion or will a backbone actually become apparent in many??????????????????????????????????

    I WILL GIVE UP MY GUN WHEN THEY PRY MY COLD DEAD FINGERS FROM IT... Any of you remember this??
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    Defy the government? Are you kidding? Most Fudds will shake their fist, turn their guns in, and go home and watch the football game.
     
  15. ivanhoe

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    Brian in Oregon

    "WHERE are all the Obama lovers who plastered this site with their crap before the election and insisted Obama would never take our guns?"

    I can't tell you about the ones that plastered this site with their crap. I can show where a lot of the ones that live Chicago are.


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    These are mugshots from Chicago PD check out their shirts...LOL

    Bob Lawless
     
  16. AJ100

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    Bob, that is about the funniest damn thing I have seen on here in a while.

    Everbody better hurry up and save it if they want to keep it. I have a feeling it won't be here long. LOL

    Tom(AJ100)


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  17. ivanhoe

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    "Bob, that is about the funniest damn thing I have seen on here in a while."

    AJ it is amusing but also sad if you look at it from the gun owners point of view. I believe a large portion of his supporters are criminals. They support him because they know as we know that by the time Obama and his party are through. There will be no gun and it will make their job easier.

    Bob Lawless
     
  18. Brian in Oregon

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    It's simple. Disarmed victims are easier to rape, rob and kill.
     
  19. Big Jack

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    An unarmed citizen is a subject! That is what they want!

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  20. daddiooo

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    Check with the English about guns rights. Last week thousands of "mature" adults demonstrated peacfully in the streets carring signs that they wanted their guns back. Crime is now bad enough that the police dept. is giving the Bobbies guns now. (apparently that stick they had didn't work well) Ask Australians, crime and home invasions are up over 300% after their guns were turned in.


    I'm for the Charlton Heston way......."cold dead hands". Daddy always said "son you have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything".
    Just hope there's enough "testicle fortitude' out there to make a difference.
     
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