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Clunker Euthanasia

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by kehrby, Jul 30, 2009.

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  1. kehrby

    kehrby Active Member

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    What is happening with this "cash for clunkers" program is making me sick to my stomach. As some of you know I have worked for ford dealers for the last 24 years. This week I have been asked to do something that I have never been asked before and I refused the job. They got someone else because the government requires it.

    At least 1/3 of the so called clunkers we have had traded have been decent and in some cases beautiful cars. Two Caddys, a gorgeous 98 Continental that had been garaged and only 54000 miles. A score of Expeditions and Suburbans that you guys would have drooled over for shoot vehicles. All destroyed. Perfect running engines. We drain the oil and add two quarts of sodium silicate. Two minutes later the engine is trashed. Pemanently locked up to never run again. Yes there are some real junk piles being traded but many are cars you would jump at for $4500! I refused to be a part of such waste. These cars could have been excellent transportation for people who cannot afford a decent car. The government could have assigned someone to oversee this type of thing and donate these cars to charity but no, lets just trash them all for the sake of "GREEN"

    Steve
     
  2. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    Aren't they putting the brakes on this program? Some finally found out that it was costing too much and is unsustainable.
     
  3. halfmile

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    Hang on, they will do it to people soon. Even if you could have another 15 years of meaningful life, they will give you pills to make the end come as soon as possible.

    Anyone who agrees with the direction this country has taken should be retroactively aborted.

    We need to find the rewind button and soon.

    HM
     
  4. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    Just on the news, program is being suspended.

    More details will be on the news tomorrow.

    There goes my new Nitro.

    HM
     
  5. markdenis

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    This is just a guess, but I would almost bet most of the vehicles traded in were American made and they traded for foreign vehicles.
     
  6. kehrby

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    I can't speak for what is happening over the whole country but we have two franchises at our dealership. Ford and Toyota. We have probably sold more Fords than Toyotas and yes, most of the trades have been American but there have also been a lot of foreign SUVs also. Honda, Toyota, Nissan. I wouldn't mind a stick of dynamite in those but thats just me.

    This program is just the start in what they are going to do to get you to drive their little cracker boxes.

    Steve
     
  7. markdenis

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    These kinds of scams against the American car buyers have been going on for years. Car dealers in the Louisville area advertise all the time ..."if can drive, push or pull your car into our lot, we will give you $3000, $4000, $5000, trade-in...we don't care what kind of shape it is in."

    The only difference with the government scam is they are destroying perfectly good used vehicles...removing them from the used car market. After all, the government is now in the business of selling new cars.

    Just wait a few days and you will see new car dealers advertising they will extend the cash for clunkers program on their own and give you the same $4500 the government offered.

    Mark Rounds
     
  8. Bisi

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    My alarm is the radio waking me up every morning. This morning I woke up and they were talking about the cash for clunkers program. A guy called in and got rid of his clunker a 99 Blazer with less than a 100K miles and he traded it for a Dodge and got Dodge to kick in another 4500. Crazy. There would be a lot of people who would be like to have a 99 Blazer. That is newer than anything I'm driving. Destroying perfectly good equipment makes no sense to me, but neither does destroying this country and Ojackass is all for that.
     
  9. SirMissalott

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    I believe your missing the point of the program. I think its thew first step into forcing you to buy a commie ride! In some socialist countries you can only drive a car for so many years then you are "TAXED" ( forced ) into not driving it therefor you have to buy a new one form the GOVERNMENT owned auto industry. Does anyone see any similar patterns developing??

    It may be a cash for clunker now but I think it will grow legs?
     
  10. hmb

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    The program is over, they ran out of money. HMB
     
  11. markdenis

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    HMB

    This is only the beginning. The US government is now in the business of selling new cars. They will devise more plans, more taxes, more deceptive tactics, more of whatever it takes to sell new cars. If they can con the senate and the congress into spending more money on this program, it will continue. Just wait and see!
     
  12. BT-100dc

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    Personally, I don't think the government should be in the rebate business. When we're broke why not put away the shovel versus digging a deeper hole? Did anyone out there hear that people were buying Lexus automobiles on this program? God, I love this country.

    BT-100dc
     
  13. Milkbone

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    I don't agree that this program is a scam on the car buyers because it isn't. In fact, it could be a good deal for somebody who was planning on buying a new car anyway.

    It is, however, a scam on the long suffering taxpayers of this country and a huge waste of our money. I'm embarrassed that my government would do anything this stupid.
     
  14. markdenis

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    It never seems to amaze me that people think this is/was a good deal for the car buyer. The end actual out-of -pocket cost to a savvy buyer is close to the same whether they trade in a "cash for clunker" car or not. They basically gave their trade-in away!
     
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    markdenis,

    You can be the saaviest buyer you want to be, but in the end if you have a POS
    it's still a POS and worth $200-300. So getting $3500-$4500 is a huge deal.
    Plus getting any rebate & discount from the dealer.
    It can make the difference of someone being able to get a new car and it fitting in their budget.



    It does suck knowing my tax dollars are being used for this. However, think of the people not in the Sales aspect of the car dealerships. You have the people making parts, the truck drivers, the service workers in the dealerships, the office workers, the kids cleaning the new cars, the workers
    in the factories all getting a big push for this. If you look at the whole
    picture it's better than giving the money to AIG or Fannie/Freddie.

    That's my .02.

    Curt Kinsey
     
  16. KEYBEAR

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    Curt I have never owned a POS worth 200 or 300 hundred dollars and really don,t know anyone that does . I can drive all day and not see a car worth much less then $4,500 around here . If your Clunker is worth anything on trade you can take that off the $4,500 deal so really what are you getting ?????????
     
  17. SirMissalott

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    This reminds me of trading guns for sneekers??
     
  18. Milkbone

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    Obviously you aren't going to come out worth a crap if your trade-in is worth more than $4,500. If it's worth less, you win. This program is already maxed out precisely because of that reason. Remember, it doesn't matter if the car is dented in every panel or not and/or if it's got 500,000 miles on it. There are plenty of cars on the road worth far less than $4,500 trade-in value.

    Mark seems to think that everybody who trades in a car is stupid and gets screwed out of their trade-in. While that does happen, it doesn't have to. All you have to do is first agree on a price of the new vehicle, then bring up your trade. The salesman can't play with the numbers that way. Elementary my dear Watson.
     
  19. markdenis

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    Ha Ha Ha, Your kidding of course! There is no way on earth you can make an all cash deal and at the end decide you are going to trade a vehicle and the dealer knock off that amount off the deal.

    Any car dealer on this planet will want to know within the first minute or two of your conversation if you are trading in or buying outright.
     
  20. gspman

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    This program is BS. For starters, our tax dollars should not be used for this. Talk about a program where the tax dollars of many go to a few. Is that not what the liberals have been saying is wrong with conservative programs and ideas. Hmmmmmmmm????????

    On an economic note, they people who are the intended beneficiaries of the program are the ones who can't afford a new car. What they can afford is the "clunker" they are driving. What happens when you reduce the supply of "clunkers" on the market? That's right, the price goes UP! This program hurts the people it is intended to help by driving up the cost of what they can afford. If Chairman Mao-Bama would spend ten minutes in an economics class, he would understand that this program is all wrong.

    Tax cuts and tax incentives put money in everyones pockets. That way ALL can save and then buy what they want (notice I did not say need) instead of the getting it from the government. We are entitled to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness and nothing more. We are not entitled to having all of our wants given to us at the expense of others.

    gspman (Dave Pagel)
     
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